Does anyone use the Ewincher? I’m considering it to help winching for crew that can’t always bring in a sheet or furl. our 379 has no power winches which is ok most of the time but there are situations where a little power would really help.
It looks like a good bit of kit but is expensive. Others have used a right angle drill eg Milwaukee 28 volt, that is a whole lot cheaper although maybe not as waterproof. There is also the WinchRite Cordless Winch Handle which would be worth investigating. I have used none of these products but have thought about them.
My experience with powered winch handles is similar to 'super g', although the models were bulkier than the newer 'ewincher'. A big issue is where to put it when not in use. With the 379 like ours, we do a lot of stripping and change overs among genoa sheets, main sheets, fairlead adjusters and barber haulers, all on the primary winches. This means the ewincher has to be pulled out and set down somewhere in the aft end of the cockpit when the change overs occur. Putting it on the centre of the cockpit table might work well on a light day - but this is not when you need it. Tacking in a blow with a 20 degree heel is not going to work that well. The ewincher will work better from the companionway on secondary winches where you can put it down on the cabin top when making changeovers. I disagreeociates who use them have generally relegated the power winch handles to this role. We sail double handed. Our tacking procedure is one person on each helm, with the stronger party taking the impending sheet takeup side, the weaker on the release side. You can get more body core strength into grinding standing in the helm well than you can kneeling on the cockpit bench because the wheel is a partial obstruction in the latter case. We switch over helm responsibility half way through the tack. The release side takes control as the bow goes through the wind. We are old and slowing down and this procedure reduces flailing around in the cockpit during the tack and puts the strength where it is most needed.
I am a little bit confused about the Karver winch. It says 3 times more "powerfull". But isn't it just a kind of "gear box"? In best case the friction loss can be less then the other winches which will give extra several percent efficiency but not 3 times!
I believe that the gear ratio is 3 times higher which makes winding easier. But in this case, it takes 3 times more time to trim the sails? If so where is the advantage of these winches?
There is a mini test in the Feb issue of Yachting World, a comparison between Ewincher and Winchrite. The conclusion was that electric winch handles are good for people sailing short-handed, and older sailors. The Ewincher was more sophisticated but also much more expensive, so bang for buck was about equal in the test.
The test was done on long open ocean crossings in the Atlantic. I can definitely see the problem with switching the handle between the winches during frequent inshore tacking.
Hi Erkan, I suspect you are just picking up on the normal tendency for advertising people to play fast and loose with technical terms. It could be a translation error in the advertising copy, though no excuse for that from an international company either. And I am sure Karver have technical people who do understand the simple technical definitions..
You are quite correct, in that these winches are just gearboxes, they have lower gear ratios available than the unnamed competition, so produce higher sheet tension for the same winch handle force. You can use this to achieve higher sheet tension or to achieve the same sheet tension with less force on the winch handle. Probably similar friction unless really different bearing technology, but really, on a sail winch, power is not a relevant concept, just the practical, controllable maximum sheet tension. And of course, this tension is only realised in the last few cm of sheet take up.
It is a more complicated question if they were talking about electric winches. But in this case, others posting in this thread have suggested the possibility of using a better manual winch as an alternative a portable electric handle. My preference is for the latest reversible trimmer winches for Genoa sheets, but unfortunately, they are also too expensive for me.