PHRF Rating for SO 379

[optimystic]

We we’re just assigned our PHRF rating for the northwest area. 117 is the rating. There have been questions regarding rating so I thought I would share. This is for a classic rig with code 0 and folding prop. Wish us luck!

[zaphod]

Is that without a spinnaker?

It's not far off the old Sunfast 37 rating in this area.

[MartyB]

Faster than an SF37 by 9-12 secs in the NW US, but slower than an SF35 by 9-12 secs. 20 secs slower than a 409! 20=30 secs slower than a 349, SO35/37.

marty

[optimystic]

Marty- where would you rate the boat? It seems quite low to me with cruising sails etc. The code 0 adds some time but it still seems low to me. There aren’t any local 379’s to compare against. I know some of the local boats well and it seems to me that giving time to a J29 with full race sails, multiple spinnakers etc doesn’t make sense.

fun regardless. 

Thanks
Mark

[MartyB]

Mark,

I would like to see it in the 90's vs 105 for the SF 35 I know of in the area.....thats me. That would be with out thehit for the code zero! I under stand going with zero's due to MOST rules. BUT, seems as if you are going to do that, one should stick with a mast head rig, and use a 155 genoa! THats me!

I would swag you should be in the 115-125 relm. The 379 is one of the better powered up boats in the 9 series. The 39iP from the group before. The SF35 from that era.

Best you can do is go race her a lot! Look at times, compare to other boats around you, figure out of the rating is correct.

Another, is look at Europe's IRC ratings, do the conversion from that to PHRF NW, see how it compares.....That might also give you a too fast or too slow too comparison rating.

Marty

[zaphod]

Dec 2, 2018 17:38:14 GMT optimystic said:

Marty- where would you rate the boat? It seems quite low to me with cruising sails etc. The code 0 adds some time but it still seems low to me. There aren’t any local 379’s to compare against. I know some of the local boats well and it seems to me that giving time to a J29 with full race sails, multiple spinnakers etc doesn’t make sense.

fun regardless. 

Thanks
Mark

So your handicap is based on having a Main, Jib and a Code Zero? No spinnaker?

The thing about PHRF handicapping is that the rating for a given boat evolves as the the boat is raced and it's true performance becomes known. Until then all they can do is assign a rating based on theoretical performance. I dont imagine there are a lit of 379s that are raced seriously.

[MartyB]

Zaphod is correct, in that a rating can vary.....
With that said, what is base rating with all code 5 gear? IE main, headship, spin and folding/feathering prop?
My base is a 189, but sail at 195, I have a code 2 spin, 9 sec credit, code 6 spin, -3 sec hit! MGS, I'm the 189 less 3 secs for jib, +18 for no spin = 204. Reality is, with my really small spin, hit for jib, I do just as well sailing nfs. Once I buy a code 5 or maybe a 6 spin.....hopefully I will do better in the FS flying sails division.
Marty

[jdl01]

Hi Mark,
There is a 389 with a phrf rating in the pac. northwest. Her name is 'the ride' and she rates 120 with flying sails and a folding prop. It seems in the pnw phrf you take a rating beating for your code 0.

[optimystic]

Thank you for the input. It’s interesting that the ratings vary. I really can’t figure out why a code 0 would be such a penalty although it suits the boat so well perhaps they are correct.. no good ddw but a hoot in a breeze. I’ll continue to research. I don’t want a rating that makes placing on corrected time out of the question if we sail well and beat competitors in raw time. With stock sails we can only go so fast. 

[MartyB]

For what ever reason, PHRF=NW has chosen to consider a code 0 a jib, even if cut as a spin per say. If it does not work well down wind, this kinda hurts and screws up ones rating!

Been talking with a sail maker about going with a code 6 spin, to match up with the code 6 headsail....their feeling is stay with a code 5! at least now, being as I race NFS for the most part, yes I take a -3 sec hit per say, but get the hit for both up and down wind. Where as the sail makers thoughts, with code 6 sails, you take the hit ea way for both, or total -6 secs!

makes sense but does not. I do know my code 2 spin racing is not worth using, as I seem to lose more down wind time than the 9 sec credit gives me.

getting the correct balance per say.

Marty