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Post by jy51 on Mar 22, 2019 7:13:47 GMT
You say the 90 day remains but you can always obtain a visa, what visa? for instance... There are options other than suggested but it takes time and money. Some EU countries are "selling" citizenship (Portugal, Malta...). I'd rather not talk about of some more shady variants of staying over 90 days but it's possible. The down side of some option is you become "locked" with your guest country. Best way is still citizenship of EU remaining country. Like I said, I'll never understand this. We have already covered residency as an option, but citizenship is a different ball game and normally requires having lived in a country for a number of years being able to talk the language fluently and possibly sitting a test, and of course that is not a visa. |
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Post by jy51 on Mar 22, 2019 7:24:00 GMT
JY51, Could it be that you are taking my comments a little too seriously? I am fully aware of the situation re the Channel islands. My wife lived in Jersey for many years I also worked for a Jersey company for some time. Our first boat was based out there on the Guernsey register! You fly a defaced ensign for boats registered in the CI not a standard red ensign. My tongue in cheek comment was taking what the EU have said to a new dimension. Will all boats British boats in EU waters really be given VAT paid status on BREXIT day? And how would they do it? I cannot imagine the PP in Greece running around handing out VAT certificates. The 90 days in 180 rule is going to be a real pain for British cruising folk wanting to cover many countries in the Med on an extended cruise. Ironically a British chap (on a half million pound yacht which they live on all summer long) was leaping up and down in delight when the result was announced. I wonder if he thinks it might be a bit of a home goal now?? Maybe the saving grace in Greece is that they will probably never get around to computerising passport control. They cannot even introduce the new cruising tax on time because their website still isn't working. They've only been on with it about five years though. Unfortunately alenka, until your response I was not aware of your knowledge of the Channel Islands. But I do apologise for missing the tongue in cheek humour. Fortunately, they can’t vote to take that away from us! |
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Post by johannes on Mar 22, 2019 8:19:09 GMT
The Schengen Visa is really a dumb arse system with it's 90 in 180 days rule. Given that tourism is such a massive industry for Europe, it does not economically make sense. The UK and Ireland have probably benefited from the Schengen stupidity as it ensured that many long term travellers spend a lot of time there waiting for 90 days to be reset. Essentially every country has similar visa rules. It is to prevent people from working on a tourist visa. EU visa rules are based on the reciprocity principle, so that EU will not have more generous visa rules towards a non-EU country than that country has towards EU. One of the main reasons for Brexit is that the UK people did not want Europeans to have unlimited entry to the UK, and as long has the UK keeps that position after Brexit, UK citizens will not have unlimited entry to EU. |
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Post by jy51 on Mar 22, 2019 8:29:58 GMT
The Schengen Visa is really a dumb arse system with it's 90 in 180 days rule. Given that tourism is such a massive industry for Europe, it does not economically make sense. The UK and Ireland have probably benefited from the Schengen stupidity as it ensured that many long term travellers spend a lot of time there waiting for 90 days to be reset. Essentially every country has similar visa rules. It is to prevent people from working on a tourist visa. EU visa rules are based on the reciprocity principle, so that EU will not have more generous visa rules towards a non-EU country than that country has towards EU. One of the main reasons for Brexit is that the UK people did not want Europeans to have unlimited entry to the UK, and as long has the UK keeps that position after Brexit, UK citizens will not have unlimited entry to EU. Totally agree with your posting, but try tell that to many Brits with second homes and boats in Europe who voted out to stop Europeans coming to the UK, yet strangely believe they have the right to freely access Europe, hypocrisy on a grand scale! |
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Post by hoppy on Mar 22, 2019 12:49:01 GMT
The Schengen Visa is really a dumb arse system with it's 90 in 180 days rule. Given that tourism is such a massive industry for Europe, it does not economically make sense. The UK and Ireland have probably benefited from the Schengen stupidity as it ensured that many long term travellers spend a lot of time there waiting for 90 days to be reset. Essentially every country has similar visa rules. It is to prevent people from working on a tourist visa. EU visa rules are based on the reciprocity principle, so that EU will not have more generous visa rules towards a non-EU country than that country has towards EU. One of the main reasons for Brexit is that the UK people did not want Europeans to have unlimited entry to the UK, and as long has the UK keeps that position after Brexit, UK citizens will not have unlimited entry to EU. Australia's standard electronic tourist Visa for Europeans and many other nationals, is a 12 month Visa but you must not stay any longer than 3 months. However, you can fly to NZ, Bali, Fiji or any other foreign destination for a short break and then return for another 3 months. There is another visitor visa which allows a 12 months continuous stay. The EU Schengen visa does not reciprocate in kind for Australians. |
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Post by hoppy on Mar 22, 2019 12:54:15 GMT
Essentially every country has similar visa rules. It is to prevent people from working on a tourist visa. EU visa rules are based on the reciprocity principle, so that EU will not have more generous visa rules towards a non-EU country than that country has towards EU. One of the main reasons for Brexit is that the UK people did not want Europeans to have unlimited entry to the UK, and as long has the UK keeps that position after Brexit, UK citizens will not have unlimited entry to EU. Totally agree with your posting, but try tell that to many Brits with second homes and boats in Europe who voted out to stop Europeans coming to the UK, yet strangely believe they have the right to freely access Europe, hypocrisy on a grand scale! I kind of suspect that the British who voted "leave" are not the ones with houses and boats in the EU. The ones who voted leave probably only visit Europe on charter trips, only eat fish & chips and other british foods on the continent and are easily spotted because they think that wearing football shirts are fashionable on nights out and finish their evenings drunk in the gutter.  |
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Post by hoppy on Mar 22, 2019 13:05:28 GMT
One of the main reasons for Brexit is that the UK people did not want Europeans to have unlimited entry to the UK, and as long has the UK keeps that position after Brexit, UK citizens will not have unlimited entry to EU. I understand the grip of some British as there are certain EU nationalities who flooded into the UK in massive numbers, created their own communities to the exclusion of others, used every possible benefit and have even since moved back home whilst claiming benefits from the UK, flying back there when needed. Of course, some these problems could have been fixed whilst remaining within the EU by the changing of laws to reduce the benefit migration. Also the British government processes and systems sound so antiquated and inefficient that they are probably easily abused. There is certainly not anywhere close to the efficiency of the Swedish public services. |
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Post by jy51 on Mar 22, 2019 13:08:34 GMT
Totally agree with your posting, but try tell that to many Brits with second homes and boats in Europe who voted out to stop Europeans coming to the UK, yet strangely believe they have the right to freely access Europe, hypocrisy on a grand scale! I kind of suspect that the British who voted "leave" are not the ones with houses and boats in the EU. The ones who voted leave probably only visit Europe on charter trips, only eat fish & chips and other british foods on the continent and are easily spotted because they think that wearing football shirts are fashionable on nights out and finish their evenings drunk in the gutter. Hoppy, although I trust your perception, I believe we are getting into deep water here and are moving away from the our root purpose of discussing leaking seacocks and flat batteries, however, you might be surprised to learn that in one of the marinas l frequented last year there was a considerable amount of berthholders who did vote for Brexit! |
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Post by hoppy on Mar 22, 2019 13:25:46 GMT
I kind of suspect that the British who voted "leave" are not the ones with houses and boats in the EU. The ones who voted leave probably only visit Europe on charter trips, only eat fish & chips and other british foods on the continent and are easily spotted because they think that wearing football shirts are fashionable on nights out and finish their evenings drunk in the gutter. Hoppy, although I trust your perception, I believe we are getting into deep water here and are moving away from the our root purpose of discussing leaking seacocks and flat batteries, however, you might be surprised to learn that in one of the marinas l frequented last year there was a considerable amount of berthholders who did vote for Brexit! That dumbfounds me.... Either they lack the intelligence to understand the impact on themselves or they were (rightly in my view) confident that they can maintain the tax paid status of their boats and that work and other commitments mean that the 3 months schengen visa was sufficient. Leaking seacocks and flat batteries are overrated  |
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Post by jy51 on Mar 22, 2019 14:34:14 GMT
I don't know about that, I can get quite excited about seacocks and flat batteries  . But seriously, I believe the problem with many Brits is that they have had the benefit of almost free access across Europe and the sun for so long that they could never imaging losing that right of passage. Many were brought up on TV programs specialising in buying holiday homes in the sun or passing the winter months on the Algarve, they just didn't believe it could come to an end. |
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