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Post by hoppy on Sept 27, 2018 23:52:04 GMT
Just saw this on the Fastrack Yacht Racing facebook page. Fastrack seem to have a close relationship with Jeanneau, so It's perhaps not a surprise they might get the inside scoop and be allowed to tease the yacht community.
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Post by zaphod on Sept 28, 2018 14:24:11 GMT
Meh...I hope it looks better in real life to be honest!
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Post by MalcolmP on Sept 28, 2018 19:18:36 GMT
Spot on. The sun fast group on Facebook have confirmed this is in development /
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 5, 2018 21:59:45 GMT
Jeanneau are keeping very tight-lipped about the new Sun Fast...but it was mentioned that this will be an additional, not a replacement model. I thought that single cabin top window was slightly reminiscent of the Andrieu designed JOD 35, see drawing comparison below, it is interesting to see how performance designs have evolved since 1990, especially if the new boat also is from Daniel Andrieu like the SF3200 and SF3600. www.23hq.com/Jeanneau/photo/48321424/originalIn an attempt to hazard a guess at the length, I then overlayed the SF3600 with the new boat, aligning base of the mast and scaled very roughly against the guardrails and spars. Note how far the mast is shifted relatively aft. As you can see below looks to be slightly shorter, so maybe around 35 feet, perhaps it will be promoted as a one-design? www.23hq.com/Jeanneau/photo/48321433/originalFor completeness, I also show below the SF3600 with the SF3200R2 overlayed at roughly the same scale. www.23hq.com/Jeanneau/photo/48322002/original
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Post by hoppy on Nov 6, 2018 1:48:42 GMT
Interesting analysis...
I just can't see how Jeanneau can justify a 35ft in the SunFast range especially when the 3600 is not due for retirement. I would imagine that it would be more sensible for Jeanneau to introduce a SF3600 OD rule that existing owners can mod their boats to meet, if they wanted OD in that size.
A 40 footer would make more sense, but looking at the comparisons the proportions do seem to suggest a smaller boat like you concluded.
Perhaps it will be a lightweight stripped out "custom like" carbon racer that would blow a SF3600 out of the water making it look like lardy luxury cruiser and cost twice as much. Perhaps a SF3500D could then make some sense.
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Post by MartyB on Nov 6, 2018 5:44:16 GMT
I personally have not looked at this new potential 3500......BUT, with this in mind, it might also be more of a 4-6'ish crew buoy style cockpit, interior etc vs the two current models, more designed for single/double handed racing. Look at the J-Boat line, and you see some models that are really close in length etc. but the how many it races with etc is a different market. I'd personally like an SF version of the 349! For how i use the boat, something with 750-800# vs 650# of SA, a bit deeper keel, interior works well better for weekending with spouse, yet the top deck works for crew of 3-6 which I usually have with me.
Marty
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 6, 2018 7:56:09 GMT
Noting that it has what looks like a Barton boomstrut not an expensive rod kicker, maybe they will be trying to keep the overall pricing point low.
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Post by hoppy on Nov 6, 2018 11:55:36 GMT
Look at the J-Boat line, and you see some models that are really close in length etc. but the how many it races with etc is a different market. Just looked at the J boat range and they don't have any boats that are so close in size and design age as the SF3600 and a "SF3500" would be. The J/95 & J/99 are close in size but from very different design era's. Same for the J/111 & J/121. The SF3600 is not at an age it needs to be pensioned off. A SF3500 would very likely cannibalise sales from the SF3600 unless it vastly differentiates its self, perhaps being CF, super light hull and expensive
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Post by hoppy on Nov 6, 2018 11:57:07 GMT
Noting that it has what looks like a Barton boomstrut not an expensive rod kicker, maybe they will be trying to keep the overall pricing point low. Could be a carbon boomstrut that makes the rodkicker look cheap and heavy.
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Post by hoppy on Nov 6, 2018 12:10:18 GMT
So assuming Malcolm's 35ft size analyse is spot on. How do you think this new boat will be positioned in the SF range?
I will vote that this boat will be a premium SF racer. It will be built of light weight exotics that will keep the hull weight down but be suited to series production. The weight savings will be used to put more weight into the keel for a boat with better righting motion and a lighter boat with more SA than the SF3600. It will be significantly more expensive and faster. It will be more aimed at the pro and semi-pro race teams and perhaps be an OD circuit.
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 6, 2018 17:28:15 GMT
Well Jeanneau's teaser release of info is keeping us guessing, so good marketing ploy at least. I have not tried accurately extrapolating the standing rigging angles to estimate mast height, but by my eye looks like it may be slightly shorter than the SF3600 I did wonder if they might release more info at the Paris Boat Show in December as they have the full range on display normally. My French comprehension is pretty limited, but the new model Sun Fast is briefly mentioned in this interview: www.actunautique.com/2018/10/interview-jeanneau-annonce-un-nouveau-sun-fast-et-une-sun-fast-world-cup.htmlmaybe one of our French speakers could enlighten us if there is more info in that conversation? Maybe the new model plays into the concept that Jeanneau are promoting with their SF world cup series... There are certainly some radical ideas around which is exciting, for example elsewhere in Groupe Beneteau after looking like they were ditching the First series entirely have recently released a First 14 dinghy...on the face of it not unlike the short-lived Jeanneau Deriveur 430 dinghy from 1996 ;-) www.actunautique.com/2018/10/video-decouverte-exclusive-du-tout-nouveau-beneteau-first-14.html
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Post by puravida35 on Nov 6, 2018 18:05:20 GMT
Very interesting bow section on the new SunFast... reminiscent of a Ker 46+ or Fast 40+.
Got to crawl all over a SF3600 a couple of weeks ago, very impressive boat with flexible downwind options. Would seem strange for Jeanneau to field another entry in this size range given the young age of the SF3600. Maybe the new boat has a different mission or maybe the size will be different from what has been guessed so far?
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Fastrak
Junior Member
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Jeanneau Model: Sun Fast 3300
Yacht Name: Fastrak XII
Home Port: Hamble
Country: UK
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Post by Fastrak on Nov 6, 2018 19:36:52 GMT
More info to be released at Paris Boat Show. First boat in UK provisionally scheduled for May 2019. Interesting comments here but you will have to wait and see π
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Post by hoppy on Dec 3, 2018 9:22:00 GMT
Getting closer
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 3, 2018 12:54:28 GMT
Yes great teaser project. Guillaume Verdier will bring some innovation, but glad also that Daniel Andrieu was still very much involved.
Anyone going to the Paris Boat Show?
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 8, 2018 19:49:22 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 8, 2018 20:51:54 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 9, 2018 8:25:27 GMT
Provisional specifications
Length overall 10.49m 34'5" Hull length 9.99m 32'9" Beam 3.40m 11'2" Draft 1.95m 6'5"
Sail area upwind 60 sq m 646 sq ft Sail area downwind 128 sq m 1378 sq ft
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Post by hoppy on Dec 9, 2018 13:15:30 GMT
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it looks like the cabin top an windows are designed to allow a relatively forward view. Something similar on the JPK1080 I think it is disappointing that Jeanneau is not expanding the SF range. If they are not going to build bigger SF's then maybe they should start making a true performance line using the existing SO hulls with taller rigs and deeper keels like the SF's of old.
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 9, 2018 18:10:33 GMT
You have sharp eyes Hoppy, yes can now see that forward window aspect.
Tend to agree with your view at this stage, but maybe larger models are being planned too? Jeanneau seem to be putting quite an effort at the Sun Fast series with the "World Cup" announcement too.
Looking at the specs in comparison with the 3200R2 and 3600 it does look more like the 3300 is a replacement of the 3200, as the hull length is only 0.21m longer and has a narrow beam. The overall length maybe just due bowsprit length.
I have tabled the main secs below, does not appear that anything special in terms of weight reduction has been factored in , so guess no exotics in the hull, if not a one design maybe the rig will have carbon as an option..
Sun Fast 3200 R2
Length overall 10.10 m / 33β1ββ
Hull length 9.78 m / 32β
Waterline length 8.55 m / 28β
Beam 3.48 m / 11β 5ββ
Displacement 3.400 kg / 7.496 lbs
Draft 1.90 m / 6β
Upwind Sail area 56.2 m2 / 605 Sq ft
Sun Fast 3300
Length overall 10.49m / 34'5"
Hull length 9.99m / 32'9"
Beam 3.40m / 11'2"
Draft 1.95m / 6'5"
Displacement 3.500 kg / 7.756 lbs
Upwind Sail area 60 m2 / 646 Sq ft
Sun Fast 3600
Length overall 11.25 m / 36β 10ββ
Hull length 10.80 m / 35β 5ββ
Waterline length 9.50 m / 31β 2ββ
Beam 3.55 m / 11β 7ββ
Displacement 4.950 kg / 10.913 lbs
Draft 2.13 m / 6β11ββ
Upwind Sail area 69.8 m2 / 751 Sq ft
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Post by hoppy on Dec 10, 2018 1:21:19 GMT
from www.jeanneauaustralia.com/2018/12/10/jeanneau-confirms-the-launch-of-the-new-sun-fast-3300-set-for-the-european-spring-of-2019/?fbclid=IwAR18uYZEhhiN7jsCl1m1e3WsKW6OFdXQpglWKkOKgf3ruK67-W2sy9Z_crsTo create the high-performance Sun Fast 3300, which is to be sailed either fully crewed or short handed, Jeanneau enlisted two renowned naval architects: Daniel Andrieu and Guillaume Verdier.
David Andrieu, the naval architect behind the Sun Fast line since its inception, is a proven expert in optimizing for the IRC rating rule as well as working with the Jeanneau builders to deliver boats of exceptional quality which Jeanneau customers expect. Guillaume Verdier, who is renowned for his work in the Americaβs Cup and Vendee Globe, will bring a mastery of computational fluid dynamics and finite element analysis to this project, just as he has in the past with other high performance boats, such as the 100β Commanche and the IMOCA 60 Hugo Boss. The complementary nature of these two experts enables the Sun Fast 3300 to be balanced and versatile, while also delivering IRC optimized performance, racing either inshore or offshore.
The innovative hull of the Sun Fast 3300 boasts a double concave, forward and aft. These curved hollows on the center line enable an improved distribution of dynamic pressure, while limiting drag on the hull and minimizing the surface below the waterline for greater performance. The structure and shape of the keel, carefully studied on this new racing yacht, also enable a reduction in drag and an optimized center of gravity. The result: a light, quick, reactive Sun Fast 3300.
The sail plan has been designed to be large and powerful, while being highly efficient and easy to handle In a unified design. The hull features maximized buoyancy aft, so the rig has been moved aft as well. The maximum area square top main is controlled by a long traveller and twin backstays for improved upwind sailing.
Follow along on the Sun Fast facebook page in the next weeks and months for news as the naval architects make announcements.
The long list of international awards won by Sun Fast 3200s and Sun Fast 3600s is impressive, with victories in such iconic races as the Sydney Hobart, the Spi Ouest France, the Transquadra, the Giraglia, the Commodoresβ Cup and the Caribbean 600. Today, nearly 400 Sun Fast 3200s and 3600s sail in waters around the world .you can see the double concave on the model. Interesting.
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 10, 2018 7:54:26 GMT
There is some clever design for sure, but I also love the way the Swan Club 36 has integrated a foil
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Fastrak
Junior Member
Posts: 13
Jeanneau Model: Sun Fast 3300
Yacht Name: Fastrak XII
Home Port: Hamble
Country: UK
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Post by Fastrak on Dec 10, 2018 15:40:15 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 10, 2018 17:45:11 GMT
Thanks for sharing these images - great to see tumblehome making a reappearance Does it mean the end of the 3200R2 ?
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 16, 2018 14:59:03 GMT
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