SO 419 - Yanmar 4JH45 engine interface to Raymarine Axiom

[ianr]

Hi all,

I want to interface the Yanmar 4JH45 engine to the Raymarine Axiom MFD over the Seatalk^ng network. I have read what I can find (Raymarine and Yanmar) - it would seem that I need to insert the Raymarine ECI-100 engine interface unit between the Seatalk^ng network and the engine's "NMEA 2000 system network".

My problem is that I can't physically see any engine system network as described on the Raymarine site. Does anyone have expereince of doing this or similar.

Any pointers would be much appreciated.

Regards,
Ian

[Tafika II]

I had the same question and contacted Yanmar. Here the question & reply...
Hello Mr Meyer,
Thank you for taking the time to send in your kind inquiry. This engine is not NEMA compatible.
I hope this will answer your kind inquiry.
Thanks
Michael Dollfuss
 [e-mail]
Michael Dollfuss
Customer Support Technical Rep.
Customer Support Department

From: Tafika [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:19 PM
To: THOMAS Nina (Nina Thomas) <[e-mail]>
Subject: 2007 Yanmar 4JH4AE
Can you tell me if my engine is NEMA2000 compatible or can be converted? If converted, what do I need?
Thank you!
Best regards,
Brent Meyer
S.V. Tafika II

[gwilliman]

Ianr,
If you look on the pdf for the Yanmar 4jh45 common rail series engine you will find a reference to a NMEA 2000 converter for the engine monitoring system...

www.yanmar.com/media/global/com/product/marinepleasure/sailBoatPropulsion/catalog/Yanmar-4JH45CommonRail.pdf

I don't know anything more about it than this, but I am awaiting my new SO 419 to come out of the factory here in the US in April.  I would also like to have that ability, but will have to wait and see.  Let me know if you find out if you have this option or can add it.

[ianr]

Hi Brent,
thanks for that info - gives me something to chase. The engine is listed as compatible on the Raymarine site and there is no reference to NMEA inb the Yanmar Operation Manual.


Hi Gwilliman,
I will let you know what I find out. No reference to the "convertor" in the Operation Manual.

From Raymarine
"Should you not be familiar with your engine's interfaces, then I would strongly recommend contacting the boat builder, Yanmar, or a Certified Raymarine Installer to assist with the installation. The boat builder or Yanmar may be able to identify whether a NMEA 2000 backbone was installed to support the engine system's instrumentation and/or controls, or where each engine's NMEA 2000 connector may be located. "

Bye for now.

Ian

[ianr]

Hi Brent, Gwilliman, et all,

I have a positive update. It is rather a long post so attaching as a pdf file. I have focussed on the Yacht Devices solution rather than the EC-100 or Maretron options.

Could either of you or anyone else please provided a photo of the SA-D Deutsch connector on the 4JH45 engine (or even the 4JH57). It would clarify the last issue. I won't be on my boat until next month.

pdf

Ian.

[gwilliman]

Ian,
I contacted a colleague whose father works for Yanmar and he provided the following information.  It looks like the Raymarine ECI-100 CAN convertor plus two cables that can be ordered from Yanmar will allow the MFD to display the engine data.  It looks like the cables are placed in line with the existing cable to the cockpit engine panel.  Let me know if this helps.  I will not have my boat until April.

Glenn

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[gwilliman]

Ian,
Sorry the pdf did not come thru, but the information is copy-write protected, so should not post on forum.  Email me and I can send diagram.
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[ianr]

Hi all,
Here are a few pictures which simplify the Yanmar solution.

[ianr]

Hi all,

I have got the Yacht Devices YDEG-04 engine gateway working on my 4JH engine. I had to replace and and rewire the Deutsch connector DTM04-6P (male) and DTM06-6S (female). Original connectors on the YDEG-04 were DM rather than DT. The wiring pins also had to be modified.

I have connected the device it to the diagnostic port on the engine and provided an additional connector for the Diagnostics PC. I ran a 5m Backbone cable from the Starboard locker 5-way Connector to the engine and terminated with a T-Piece for the YDEG-04.

[Bora]

May 20, 2018 22:02:28 GMT ianr said:

Hi all,

I have got the Yacht Devices YDEG-04 engine gateway working on my 4JH engine. I had to replace and and rewire the Deutsch connector DTM04-6P (male) and DTM06-6S (female). Original connectors on the YDEG-04 were DM rather than DT. The wiring pins also had to be modified.

I have connected the device it to the diagnostic port on the engine and provided an additional connector for the Diagnostics PC. I ran a 5m Backbone cable from the Starboard locker 5-way Connector to the engine and terminated with a T-Piece for the YDEG-04.

I'll need to go have another look at my engine and the connections, my engine isn't NMEA compatible so i think the Actisense EMU-1 takes any analogue signals from the engine and puts them out on NMEA.  Unfortunatley i don't think i'll get any information that the basic guage already shows.

[Bijoux]

I am looking at the EM2000 Engine Interface.


mbwtech.com/node/127

I spoke with Bruce (Technical Guy) he indicated that you can get much more data.   Yanmar makes multiple analog interfaces, some with tons of detail and some that are very minimal.  However the engine is outputting all the data.   

[Bora]

Jan 22, 2019 21:21:20 GMT Bijoux said:

I am looking at the EM2000 Engine Interface.


mbwtech.com/node/127

I spoke with Bruce (Technical Guy) he indicated that you can get much more data.   Yanmar makes multiple analog interfaces, some with tons of detail and some that are very minimal.  However the engine is outputting all the data.   

Looks like it could be a good system. The more plug and play the better! Be interested to hear more.

Currently upgrading all tank sensors to Maretron TLM-100. I want everything NMEA

[saxofon]

Interesting! Will this work for older Yanmar too? I guess it could if it's analogue signals in the cables...
Mine is a 4JH2E 1993.

[Bora]

Jan 22, 2019 21:21:20 GMT Bijoux said:

I am looking at the EM2000 Engine Interface.


mbwtech.com/node/127

I spoke with Bruce (Technical Guy) he indicated that you can get much more data.   Yanmar makes multiple analog interfaces, some with tons of detail and some that are very minimal.  However the engine is outputting all the data.   

Did you ever get a hold of one? I installed the temperature sensor and oil pressure sensor then ordered the unit from Bruce. Annoyingly it arrived at the marina the day after I left. I’m back at the end of March so I’ll install it and let you know.

[Bora]

So thats the interface connected and the data now shows up on my NMEA network and on the MFD's.

Installation was easy, just got access to the back of the engine panel by the wheel and connected the plugs.

So I now get;
 - RPM
 - Engine hours
 - Coolant temp
 - Oil pressure
 - Alternator Voltage
 
I was hoping for more but I guess that'll have to do.  An expensive addition for a bit of extra info via the NMEA but i'm a data *****w so it's keeping me happy.

[sunrise4]

Bora,

I just saw your post as I just installed a YachtDevices YDEG-04 NMEA 2000 converter between my Yanmar 4JH45 engine (SA-D connector) and the NMEA 2000 network.  It was an easy install (converter plus 2 interface cables), even setting up the B&G Zeus2 MFD was straight forward.  On my MFD I can now see RPM, coolant temp, engine load %, fuel rate, engine hours, alternator voltage, trip distance, and even fuel per distance (like ga/NM) with choices based on STW, SOG or GPS.  I have not tested this last part, but looks interesting.

In your post I saw that you are also getting oil pressure.  I'm curious if your boat came with the oil pressure sensor or if you installed it?  Any insight you'd have on where the oil pressure sensor is mounted and what type it is would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

[Bora]

Hi,

I had to install a pressure sensor, i got it from a company called Diesel Power in the UK.  Simple install, remove a blank (watch for escaping oil) then screw the sensor in place.  There should be a cable from the wiring harness that connects to it.

[dbostrom]

For what it's worth and as another option, I found this to be a handy problem solver:

nolandeng.com/product/rs11-canbus-engine-data-converter/

A very flexible and versatile device, with excellent setup software.

In reality, retail price is about $US 250 

[tobias]

To the guys already installed the Yacht Devices interface:

Have you had to do any programming with a SD card or did this work just out of the box?

[sunrise4]

No programming required on my install.  Yacht Devices grabs the data from the engine bus, converts it, and puts it on the NMEA2000 bus.  The MFD then 'sees' these new data strings, where you then select it under the MFD setup menus and decide where they should be displayed.

Hope this helps...

[Trevor]

Hello all,

If you want to bridge across the analogue gauges and have the values presented on the NMEA2000 network you may consider the Actisense EMU-1 engine interface. It comes with 6 gauge inputs, 4 alarm inputs and 2 tacho inputs. It is easily programed using their free software but you do need the Actisense NGT-1 interface for the programming software to see the device on the NMEA2000 network. It can simply bridge across the analogue gauges and translate that information to NMEA2000 PGNs for the MFD to see. You can monitor two engines if required but for most of us one is fine. The software is logical and very customisable if required for those rare cases of very odd sender values. Actisense seem to give very prompt and useful service support as well.

Regards and Merry Christmas,

Trevor