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Post by goody on Nov 6, 2018 5:27:46 GMT
Hi, They are branded Juice and they are sewn into the Bimini which we never take down. They have zips so can be removed but it wouldnt be a regular event. I am having stove issues, it will light but then you cant get it to stay lit, has anyone had this issue? Its my second time that we have asked for it to be dealt with?
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Post by ania on Nov 10, 2018 20:19:36 GMT
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dmrjazz
New Member
Posts: 8
Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau 51
Yacht Name: Mr Jazz
Home Port: Paraty
Country: Brazil
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Post by dmrjazz on Nov 12, 2018 11:03:23 GMT
Hi Ania would you mind sending me some pictures because I live in Brazil and I have not been able to find local dealer . How did you install these 03 flexible solar painel above the Bimini because it’s seems the distance between stays isnt enough Are they permanent installed or removable ? Many thanks for your attention
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Post by vasko on Nov 12, 2018 11:51:47 GMT
Be VERY careful with installing flexi panels on top of bimini ot spray hood - I woulkd not suggest install any panel with is not with SunPower cells ( they a about 10x more durable on flexing) and also without a frame support - if you do not follow this two simple rule you are huge rick to have panels working for about 1 to 4 weeks only and ready for the bin after that - all problems are due to flexing on the canvas from the wind.. to recognize if a panel is with SunPower cell you just look at it and if it does not have the part of teh soldering visible on the front side then most likely it is not SunPower cell - following a picture how a fexi panel with SunPower Cells should look like :
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Post by ania on Nov 13, 2018 2:09:06 GMT
Ok guys panels will be installed soon Renogy 160. As soon as work is done I will post bunch of pictures.
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Post by ania on Nov 13, 2018 4:32:27 GMT
Be VERY careful with installing flexi panels on top of bimini ot spray hood - I woulkd not suggest install any panel with is not with SunPower cells ( they a about 10x more durable on flexing) and also without a frame support - if you do not follow this two simple rule you are huge rick to have panels working for about 1 to 4 weeks only and ready for the bin after that - all problems are due to flexing on the canvas from the wind.. to recognize if a panel is with SunPower cell you just look at it and if it does not have the part of teh soldering visible on the front side then most likely it is not SunPower cell - following a picture how a fexi panel with SunPower Cells should look like :
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Post by ania on Nov 13, 2018 4:35:21 GMT
These Renogy 160 bend 270 degrees and super light 5 of them could fit on the bimini, but it’s too much. Three fit just fine.
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Post by ania on Nov 13, 2018 15:09:46 GMT
Be VERY careful with installing flexi panels on top of bimini ot spray hood - I woulkd not suggest install any panel with is not with SunPower cells ( they a about 10x more durable on flexing) and also without a frame support - if you do not follow this two simple rule you are huge rick to have panels working for about 1 to 4 weeks only and ready for the bin after that - all problems are due to flexing on the canvas from the wind.. to recognize if a panel is with SunPower cell you just look at it and if it does not have the part of teh soldering visible on the front side then most likely it is not SunPower cell - following a picture how a fexi panel with SunPower Cells should look like : You need to use marine grade that flex to 270 degrees high quality stuff, they are more expensive but they do last long time.
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Post by vasko on Nov 13, 2018 20:42:01 GMT
SunPowell sells are the best existing quallity and performance currently - e.g everything else is cheaper - also it is not about how much flexible the panel is as angle - it is is about how many times you can flex it back and forth - anyway everyone need to learn from his mistakes - I’ve already needed to put some good amount of panels in the bin before learning my lesson about sunpower cells and alu frame
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Post by ania on Nov 14, 2018 1:24:17 GMT
Hey, its live and learn right? I will report how good they are. BTW Jeanneau replaced our 720Amp battery bank with 1200Amp battery bank of 6 Intimidator AGM batts.
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Post by ania on Nov 21, 2018 16:16:40 GMT
Another issue to report to you guys 51 owners. Dinghy davits let water into the hull. Not sure where, but surely water gets through each davit. Dealer is working on it, will advise.
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Post by goody on Jan 4, 2019 7:54:55 GMT
Hi, I have seen some eveidence of water in hull around the davits.
Also is anybody having raymarine issues? Mine have been giving me lots of issues they are E95 units and reset randomly, create phantom poverboard and have a mind of their own.
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Post by ania on Jan 4, 2019 23:44:39 GMT
Wow Goody! Both of our Raymarines were replaced for exact same reason. Water gets to the hull through davits usually when they extended. Our guys working on solution, most likely creating a path to the bilge. Hows your transom panel? Jeanneau warranty agreed to reinforce ours.
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Post by markclement on Jan 5, 2019 1:22:10 GMT
Hi, I have seen some eveidence of water in hull around the davits. Also is anybody having raymarine issues? Mine have been giving me lots of issues they are E95 units and reset randomly, create phantom poverboard and have a mind of their own.
Hi Goody.
Back a month ago from our 3,500 klm four month cruise up the NSW and Qld coast as far as Dunk Island. Most of our time was around Whitsunday Islands, bait reef and Lady Musgrave Island (coral atoll you enter surrounded by the reef).
1) We started having issues with issues with our ES97 displays back last July (are you sure you have E95 ? You seemed to have everything specd up and ES97 were the top available when we/ you ordered). We had the port not responding to touch so we had to use the diql for control and they jumped around / put up menu when not touched etc. The Raymarine agent at Airlie Beach replaced them under warranty. He said they had replaced multiple units (well over 30) in the last 6 months because there was a defect in the units that came from defective screens where the wafers would eventually touch even though no contact was made. He was getting them replaced with two new ES97 but they had replaced so many (they are no longer being manufactured having been superseded by the Axioms )... but their stocks have been exhausted in Australia due to the number of defective units that needed replacement. End result was that they installed under warranty two Axiom Pro which made me happy - as the Axioms only came out a couple of months after we had the boat delivered. As the ES97 have Lighthouse 2 which will have no further developments and the Axioms are Lighthouse 3 operating system with a larger capacity CPU.
So have them replaced under warranty mate - Raymarine know they have the problem - and fingers crossed you get Axiom Pro's
2) Any water going down davits will find it's way into the two rear storage areas - I have had a cup of water in there but not convinced it was the davits as if you spray a lot of water around that cockpit floor area I believe it can get some over the "gutter edge" and into the storage below. My guess is you would need 2 or 3 cups before there is enough to overflow the floor ridge and find its way along the bilge to the centre of the boat.
BTW - BEYOND COOL performed fantastic over the 4 month cruise - including one sail offshore in 48 kts with the main with 2 reefs in 4M seas. Only problem was water in the fuel from a marina (2L removed in total) but the water in fuel alarm and the bleeding water from the bottom of the primary fuel filter worked exactly as it should.
Cheers Mark
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Post by ania on Jan 5, 2019 3:21:04 GMT
Mark, we poured water over the extended davits while mechanic was sitting inside of the haul. Water is definitely flowing through the davits opening inside. There it sits against plywood bulkhead. They are suggesting drilling a path to the bilge, where it would be pumped out. Quick question, I installed Viktron 712 and with everything off, even breakers it shows 0.3 amp discharge. Do you guys have that?
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Post by markclement on Jan 7, 2019 0:12:02 GMT
Mark, we poured water over the extended davits while mechanic was sitting inside of the haul. Water is definitely flowing through the davits opening inside. There it sits against plywood bulkhead. They are suggesting drilling a path to the bilge, where it would be pumped out. Quick question, I installed Viktron 712 and with everything off, even breakers it shows 0.3 amp discharge. Do you guys have that? Hi Ania, We have a Victron BMV700 (also have Victron MultiPlus 3000i/120Amp Charger/ Inverter as well as a Victron GX Display). I am no electrical expert but we always see some draw. Even with the breakers off i am sure there has to be some minor draw - the basic system including the BMV has to have power for it to operate and display. 0.3 Amp of course is extremely minor and would not worry me: - As my single 240W panel puts out 15Amp that is only 2% I think I remember another thread in the forum asking a similar question about residual draw and more competent people than me indicated there has to be some very low draw while ever the system is connected - breakers off or not. Cheers Mark
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Post by rene460 on Jan 7, 2019 6:30:52 GMT
Hi Ania, any power draw requires a complete circuit. If there is current flowing with the breakers open, There must be a wire connected to the battery perhaps directly at the battery terminal or somewhere on the battery side of the switch. Tracing this wire will help you find out what is going on. Obviously the battery monitor is one possibility. Check the specifications of the monitor manual to see how much it should draw.
There will also be a connection to any am/fm radio to maintain the stored station memory. I would expect this to be much less than you are seeing. Many of our boats have a powered aerial for the radio as well. So many possibilities for you to poke around and look for.
While 0.3 amp or 300 mA is not much, it adds up to around 8 amp.hours per 24 hour day, so starts to be significant in your charging requirements when you are not on board, especially if the boat is on the hard stand for winter. Worth looking around and finding what it is. Then you can decide if you want to do anything about it.
rene460
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Post by goody on Jan 9, 2019 1:29:05 GMT
Hi Guys and Mark great info on ray marine. Same issues I have been having with mine, they are E97 as you suggested. Awesome that you were getting good performance, we are generally really happy with our boat and the code 0 has been an excellent addition.
Ania, yes you will get some draw and that seems about right.
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Post by ania on Jan 9, 2019 3:54:24 GMT
Guys, check your davits, while extended they will let water in. Pumped out 1.5 gall of water from starboard side today. Strangely enough, port side had almost no water, and after closer inspection I realized that there is an opening that's low enough for water to overflow and go down into compartment where hot water heater is, and then into engine compartment where it sits in the pan. Not sure how Jeanneau going to address it.
Jeanneau agreed to strengthen our transom, and batteries are all replaced and upgraded to 6x200 amp American made AGM Deca Intimidator which we are really happy about.
Both E97 were replaced because of unresponsive touchscreens. Not sure if new ones will hold up will keep you posted, wish we could get the same deal Mark got, but one can only be so lucky ;-)
Also do you guys know what hoses are used for hot and cold water, and most importantly what quick connectors are used?
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Post by goody on Feb 5, 2019 22:23:55 GMT
Thanks Ania, Interesting that the local NZ Ray Marine dealers keep denying that there are issues but I think we have finally talked them into the Axioms, time will tell. I think Jeanneau should have taken this up on our behalf but I am being told again there is no wide issue (Three out of three of us) anyway I think we will get our done next week. Mark how are your Axioms? What is the difference?
I havent had any major issues with water in the davit wells but I can see how it would get in., just cup fulls at this stage for us. We had such a fantastic summer here, 20 days without rain and just sea breeses for our whole trip, slept every night and got plenty of sailing in. Probably the best year ever and the boat held up well (Plotters aside) I travelled around 1,500 miles staying at anchorages about 2 days at a time.
Got to love sailing.
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Post by ania on Feb 6, 2019 13:58:00 GMT
Goody, about the cup is what you get when they are retracted. If they are extended its much worst. Just put it on the record with your dealer so warranty repair process is there. Not sure how they are going to fix it but as long as they know that you have a problem that's on their books.
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Post by jy51 on Feb 7, 2019 19:21:03 GMT
Just a thought about the davits, I haven't had a look at them yet and am not sure how they are constructed but with two aluminium tubes sliding inside of each other, would not a thin film of vaseline stop the water ingress?
I imaging there should be some kind of seal maybe a large rubber O ring or vinyl seal?
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Post by ania on Feb 8, 2019 0:24:29 GMT
There is an O-ring seal, unfortunately it doesn't protect too well in retracted position. In extended position there is no protection at all. Just talk to our dealer MX support, Jeanneau is aware that this new construction telescopic davits are not watertight. Question is how to make water that comes in to flow freely into the bilge. Drilling channels in the spars was mentioned, otherwise water is standing against plywood bulkhead on starboard side like I posted in the picture, and it flows into the engine pen from the port side.
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Post by jy51 on Feb 10, 2019 13:45:53 GMT
Putting Yacht 51 problems aside for one moment I would like to add a note of optimism and excitement to this Jeanneau 51 yacht thread.
This coming Tuesday I take delivery of my new Yacht 51, being a realist I understand that like a marriage it will start with undying love and affection until it mellows into the reality of a compromised partnership, a partnership of ongoing maintenance, repairs and upgrades in return for moments of shear pleasure with pride and satisfaction of ownership.
My hull number is 85 and I can only hope that some of the problems experienced here, (that I would rate as mild) would have been ironed out by now, only time will tell.
Like all the contributors posting here I will post from time to time the good the bad and the ugly. However, the underlining sentiment seems to come through of a well sorted boat which is why I chose this above many other manufacturers and models in my price range.
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Post by MalcolmP on Feb 10, 2019 17:22:47 GMT
Putting Yacht 51 problems aside for one moment I would like to add a note of optimism and excitement to this Jeanneau 51 yacht thread. This coming Tuesday I take delivery of my new Yacht 51, being a realist I understand that like a marriage it will start with undying love and affection until it mellows into the reality of a compromised partnership, a partnership of ongoing maintenance, repairs and upgrades in return for moments of shear pleasure with pride and satisfaction of ownership. My hull number is 85 and I can only hope that some of the problems experienced here, (that I would rate as mild) would have been ironed out by now, only time will tell. Like all the contributors posting here I will post from time to time the good the bad and the ugly. However, the underlining sentiment seems to come through of a well sorted boat which is why I chose this above many other manufacturers and models in my price range. So exciting getting a new boat fresh out the box. I still remember the wonderful feeling with my last two jeanneau's. There of course were a few niggles, but after 11 seasons love our 39i more and more (finances will not tempt or allow us to change either). Look forward to seeing some photos - there is a dedicated page for the Jeanneau 51 on our photo gallery that already has some great shots of others www.jeanneau-owners.com/photogallery.html
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