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Post by jy51 on Jul 29, 2018 6:04:48 GMT
Hi guys, having recently placed an order for a new 51 Yacht I have been reading all your posts on this thread with interest.
Some of you have mentioned your anchoring choice and purchase, but not everyone.
I am being swayed towards the 33kg Rocna but as of yet have no idea if it will fit comfortably on the bow roller, does anyone have this anchor?
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Post by sitara on Jul 29, 2018 7:10:06 GMT
Rocna provide a full size template of their anchors on their website (http://www.rocna.com/product-range/boat-fit). I made up a template before purchasing to ensure that it would fit on my bow rollers. The template fitted and so did the anchor. Very happy with the anchor.
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Post by markclement on Jul 29, 2018 7:53:16 GMT
Hi guys, having recently placed an order for a new 51 Yacht I have been reading all your posts on this thread with interest. Some of you have mentioned your anchoring choice and purchase, but not everyone. I am being swayed towards the 33kg Rocna but as of yet have no idea if it will fit comfortably on the bow roller, does anyone have this anchor? Hi J51, Congratulations on your impending arrival We totally love ours and have spent 12 months getting it exactly the way we want it. I am assuming some of the minor design issues with the interior have been corrected in later builds - ours was hull No 11.
Everyone has their own anchor bias - me included.
After a lot of research: - we bought a 30kg Mantus - very similar to the Rocna but probably a bigger blade area - it fitted with plenty of room because the J51 has excellent gap from roller to the capstan.
- Because we were in a lake mostly (sand/ mud) we purchased 35M of 12mm chain (I know Goody has opted fpor 10mm chain with an alternative capstan to handle the smaller chain) and 50M rope. As we are heading to the Great Barrier Reef with deeper anchorages off the reefs and concern re the chaffing of rope on the bottom we added another 35M chain (s/s chain link riveted and welded).
Any questions welcomed. What sail and motor options have you opted for ? Def recommend the EC100 Raymarine engine sensor system - Ania also has this to enable display of water temp/ oil pressure/ revs and turbo pressure on the display.
Regards Mark SV Beyond Cool
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Post by jy51 on Jul 29, 2018 8:54:30 GMT
Hi Mark,
I think I got carried away with the box ticking but if possible prefer factory fitted items even though it can be more expensive. I have listed below my options. Although teak side decks look very nice I have had enough of the high maintenance. I have not chosen the code 0 as with the standard sail configuration of in mast and large Genoa the polar shows little advantage for all the effort and extra cost;
Deep keel version with shaft drive and 110hp Yanmar engine 3 double cabins 2 heads and a utility room with wood in Light Oak
Préférence pack to include; Bow thruster DVD/CD/MP3 Fusion player with BOSE speakers in saloon and speakers in cockpit 40amp and 60 amp battery chargers 3 burner cooker with oven and grill Shades on lateral windows and hull ports Electric rewind halyard winch to port Additional winch on starboard Second windlass control and chain counter at helm lighting in cockpit Indirect lighting in cabins and saloon Dock water connection USB plugs at chart table
Upholstery in leather
Individual pack; to include leather headboards and wall lamps in cabins and leather skirting to saloon sofa and seating
Terrace pack; to include electric bathing platform, wireless remote, large swim ladder and folding sun loungers
Ocean Electronic Pack; 2 x Raymarine E97 touchscreens with WiFi, i70 multi, Ray 260 VHF+ AIS650 transceiver at helm and Ray 260 at chart table, Raymarine Quantum digital radar, Raymarine p70s autopilot+ACU400 core unit + gyro and wireless remote control
Electric primary winches Fairleads on transom for aft mooring Retractable dinghy davits Drop down ladders for side gates Steering wheel covers Bimini with led lighting Spray hood Hydraulic passerelle Outboard engine bracket Cockpit cushions Sun mattress on foredeck Electric wash down pump in chain locker Water-maker duo 220/12 volts 60 litres per hour Generator 8kw Air conditioning 40,000 BTU Additional fridge in utility room Combined washing machine and tumble dryer Galley S/S 12 volt draw freezer Removable carpets for owners cabin Fresh water quite flush electric toilet fwd starboard Fresh water quite flush electric toilet aft port 2kw inverter 12 volts to 220 volts 3 bladed folding propeller Tv antenna at mast head Windex Lithium batteries European power sockets
Retro fitted items will include solar panels and WiFi/4G booster and antenna.
David
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Post by ania on Jul 29, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
So, there total of three tanks on Jeanneau 51 where 400L one upfront is obviously water.
230L tank port side under the VIP bed is fuel. 230L tank starboard side under the aft starboard bed is water tank but for extra money can be converted to extra fuel tank.
If you opt in for extra fuel tank you will have a fuel selector in VIP bedroom next to main circuit breakers. On our boat pulling the valve handle selects port tank, and pushing it selects starboard tank.
Be aware that generator uses port tank at the rate of about 1.5-3 liters per hour depending on its electrical load.
I highly recommend extra fuel tank which makes huge difference in one's piece of mind since on our Bermuda run which is 650NM we had head wind 90 percent of the time and had to use engine. We wouldn't be able to do it on one tank.
Now, with one 400L water tank we ran out of potable water on day 3. We obviously had huge supply of bottled water but thats not the point. We have fresh water flash heads...
So if you are to opt in for extra fuel, than you most likely ran into water supply issue. With is resolved with one thing, watermaker. So far our quotes for 600gal per day one around 11K US.
Hope that little info will help you in your decisions.
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Post by ania on Jul 29, 2018 22:12:41 GMT
Also please check that washer and drier. It washes great, however after running drying cycle clothes come out damp. We repeated the cycle with no luck. Apparently its a ventless dryer, and in my opinion useless. Unless there a secret to it that I don't know.
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Post by goody on Jul 30, 2018 4:59:19 GMT
Hi, welcome to the 51 ownership and congratulations. I don't have a rOCNA BUT i used to feel both Rocna and Manson Supreme in a previous job. I took the Manson because it seems to fit better and fitted 100 metres of 10ml chain with 50m of warp. The rRocna is a very good anchor, but the shank makes it hard to fit so it would need checking first. Sorry i can't be of more help.
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Post by jy51 on Jul 30, 2018 5:35:29 GMT
Interesting dilemma, I though the fuel tank was a little too small myself, but didn’t want to compromise on water tankage.
Your thoughts on the extra fuel needed with the generator make sense and the comments on the washer dryer I was already aware of.
My reason to keep with the standard configuration is that I think fitting solar panels should tip the balance, this will mean the generators job will mainly be for the weekly wash without using the dryer cycle and the occasional topping up of batteries. The air conditioning will only be used on shore power.
Hopefully with solar and lithium batteries I can run the water maker on the 12 volt setting while motoring. We are normally only two, so even with fresh water flush toilets and the odd clothes wash we can benefit with longer stays at anchor using the two water tanks. Around the Med our maximum distance between fuel berths is about 150/200 NM but I suppose I will still have to keep a very close eye on fuel consumption.
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Post by goody on Sept 9, 2018 2:42:45 GMT
Hi Anna, Did you get a water maker? We are looking at a NZ one called CJD www.cjdwatermakers.com/dc60aIts low energy use and about 60lph which is all we need. Also just installed 4 x 120w solar panels and they are running everything on the boat completely and topping up the batteries. I have seen 20+ amps going back into the batteries even when the fridges are on. Really impressed.
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Post by jy51 on Sept 9, 2018 8:39:59 GMT
goody, can I ask, where you mounted your solar panels?
I am also looking to buy solar for my new 51, it seems there are 4 choices, chrome goal posts on the stern, life rail mounted that swing out, on top of the Bimini or forward coachroof.
I have ruled out the tubular chrome structure as to bulky and ugly, although I do agree they can be very practical. I have also ruled out the side swing up mounted types as again it’s not very pretty and means forever putting them up and down. That leaves Bimini roof which seems to be favoured but if you require to fold back the Bimini when sailing or heavy weather it’s not very practical.
The forward coach roof with wiring entering through the mast cable glands seems best but as usual it’s a compromise, walk on semi flexible panels don’t seem to be as powerful as the solid glass type and the space available greatly limits the size and wattage available.
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Post by goody on Sept 10, 2018 9:30:59 GMT
Hi, I wanted to put them onto the deck in front of the dodger but was persuaded that the bimini is the best option. I used very lightweight units that have been sewn into the top of the bimini and have zips to enable removal. We havent taken the bimini down in a year of ownership because its 1/ Difficult to do and 2/ Offers protection from the sun as well as the rain and can be used during sailing as we have clears above the wheels so we can see the sail regardless.
I have come to accept this is the best option for us and is the least obtrusive. The solar panels we used are called Juice panels and they are ultra light and thin.
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Post by ania on Sept 12, 2018 0:46:26 GMT
Nope, no water maker yet. Still looking may be DUO one that works of AC and DC. They have 600 Gal per day unit. I believe they quoted us at 12K with install. However our third Exide house bank battery boiled up while on shore power. And we are now at the point where we believe all of those Exide batteries are bad and need to be replaced with hopefully Decca. Unless its a problem with the charger. Huge disappointment with those batteries.
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Post by goody on Sept 12, 2018 8:11:35 GMT
Oh thats not good. I am not sure of the battery label but they are gel batteries which we upgraded in the deal so we have 720 amp hours available through the house bank of 6 batteries. No issues with charging or use but they shoulld never boil unless the regulator is set wrong. Chargers have three or more phases and it sounds like they are not going onto float mode, I doubt it is the batteries but I am not an expert.
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Post by jy51 on Sept 13, 2018 7:09:36 GMT
Nope, no water maker yet. Still looking may be DUO one that works of AC and DC. They have 600 Gal per day unit. I believe they quoted us at 12K with install. However our third Exide house bank battery boiled up while on shore power. And we are now at the point where we believe all of those Exide batteries are bad and need to be replaced with hopefully Decca. Unless its a problem with the charger. Huge disappointment with those batteries. I mentioned somewhere else on this forum about a friend who purchased a new DS 41 and had the same problem with his service batteries, A electrician had checked the charger and engine alternator and put the problem down to very cheap bad quality batteries giving up just as the guarantees expired! The dealer offered a contribution towards purchasing better quality replacements. I can only assume this wasn’t the first time owners had complained and possibly a large batch of cheap faulty imported batteries had been used by Jeanneau.
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Post by ania on Sept 14, 2018 17:11:22 GMT
Well, they are not the best quality, but they are brand new. Three of them went in the row. The others are running warm. So my bet its the charger. Granted, some people say don't leave boat on the shore power with charger on, but its not a limitation in the ship's manual. And on the brand new boat shouldn't cause such huge issue.
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Post by jy51 on Sept 16, 2018 7:14:49 GMT
Well, they are not the best quality, but they are brand new. Three of them went in the row. The others are running warm. So my bet its the charger. Granted, some people say don't leave boat on the shore power with charger on, but its not a limitation in the ship's manual. And on the brand new boat shouldn't cause such huge issue. You are correct in saying, leaving the shore power on and the charger running shouldn’t cause an issue, that is why modern chargers have electronics that manage the charge and float sequence. The reason I personally wouldn’t recommend leaving an unattended boat plugged in to shore-power is for safety reasons, like faulty charger and overheating batteries causing a fire. I’m not an expert on these matters but talking logically, just because your batteries are brand new doesn’t mean they must be good, however, it does seem to be that the problem is one of over charging and could either be caused by the charger or the inability of the batteries to accept a constant float charge.
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Post by ania on Sept 18, 2018 2:08:33 GMT
Guys, I have electric wiring diagrams PDF file if anyone need it.
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Post by jy51 on Sept 23, 2018 12:28:34 GMT
ania,
just a thought on the battery problem, have you checked to see if the charger is set up for the correct battery type? Most seem to have dip switches that you alter depending on wet, gel, agm, lithium.
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Post by ania on Sept 26, 2018 21:00:41 GMT
For all of you guys to check who buys new boats, hope it helps the community.
This is what I got from our dealer service director:
Here is what we found and what I sent to Jeanneau: Good morning. After spending a day testing the charge systems onboard, we found: The wires to the battery charge isolator were not properly attached. The ground wires from batteries were loose at the negative battery switch. The ground wires interconnecting the batteries were loose in many locations. Of the six house batteries 3 batteries failed a load test and three are marginal. One battery is at 3.3 volts, one at 8.7, and one at 9.0. We took those three batteries out of the loop, and found that apparently the loose grounds are informing the charger that the battery voltage is low, and so it continues to charge them to destruction. We tightened all the battery cables positive and negative at all locations, and the chargers began to behave normally. I have no confidence that the three working house batteries that test as marginal will not fail, and recommend we replace all 6 house batteries. I will send the 60 amp charger you provided back to you. Please advise ASAP. This owner is losing quite a bit of sailing time. Best,
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Post by ania on Oct 4, 2018 18:09:40 GMT
Latest news to those who follow. Jeanneau is replacing all 6 batteries.
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Post by jy51 on Oct 5, 2018 15:18:13 GMT
Pleased to hear your good news.
While here could I also ask goody a few more questions regarding his solar panel installation?
roughly what are the dimensions of the panels which way did you face the connectors and do you have one set of wires come down the port side s/s Bimini frame. Where did you sight the regulator and where exactly are the service batteries kept.
I’m asking these question because I’m looking at a similar installation with two 150W panels 1596 x 717 mounted with clips across the middle of the Bimini facing in with the connectors on the center line, using three way connectors I will wire them in parallel giving 300 Watts at 12 volts. The two wires will then come over to the port side and down through a deck through fitting to a Victron MPPT with an isolation switch and fuse then on to the batteries. I intend buying everything in the U.K. before seeing the boat and would like an idea of distancing for cable lengths.
Sorry to be a bore asking so many questions, but it’s been so helpful, since you have all been talking about fuel consumption and the need to work the turbo and someone suggesting I should look at the larger fuel option, I have been having a rethink and have decided for safety reasons to change my spec for the 640 litre fuel tank and sacrifice 240 litres of water, a friend said that with a water maker you can always make water but you can’t make diesel!
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Post by goody on Oct 11, 2018 7:32:29 GMT
Hi, The panels are actually 100w and I have 4 of them. Dimensions: 1145mmL x 540mmW x 3mmD
As you say they come down the bimini frame but on the starboard side as I have upgraded to the 6 gel battery bank so its startboard side and straight to the vectron unit and as you say this is fused and then to the main battery bank control set so that I can record the inputs as charging. This then records at the battery monitor at the main panel but the charging convertor is under the starboard bunk as you dont need to see it if you have the battery monitor. I hope that helps.
These solar panels run all of my requirements including the two fridges 100% of the time so I have removed my power cord. I think that I may struggle if i hd to run nav instruments all day but then you do tend to motor a bit and I have 720amps of house so there is lots of reserve.
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dmrjazz
New Member
Posts: 8
Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau 51
Yacht Name: Mr Jazz
Home Port: Paraty
Country: Brazil
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Post by dmrjazz on Nov 4, 2018 11:55:34 GMT
Dear all could you send pictures regards the best position to install the solar painels above the Bimini ?
how can we deal with the proximity of the boom and stern stay ?
There is another place to install the solar painels at JY 51 ?
Many thanks for all attention.
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Post by ania on Nov 5, 2018 17:18:24 GMT
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Post by ania on Nov 5, 2018 17:21:58 GMT
Hi Anna, Did you get a water maker? We are looking at a NZ one called CJD www.cjdwatermakers.com/dc60aIts low energy use and about 60lph which is all we need. Also just installed 4 x 120w solar panels and they are running everything on the boat completely and topping up the batteries. I have seen 20+ amps going back into the batteries even when the fridges are on. Really impressed. What brand of solar panels did you get and where did you place them? We are looking to install solar as well.
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