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Post by ania on May 15, 2018 2:46:50 GMT
I sent this video to the dealer and thatβs what I got back:
βIt looks like condensation. Cold water/ warm air. It does not appear to be excess oil, I do not see any oil slick in the movie. Short of oil residue in the water, I would just monitor it.β
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Post by markclement on May 15, 2018 6:17:57 GMT
I just realized, that transom panel is just decorative cover, you can see it from the image. Hi Goody and Ania, How did you get on with the stern "cover panel" - seen here under the folded aft cockpit floor into the lowered "swim platform" position. I guess you have worked out that indeed as Ania mentions above - it is a cover panel only. I am not surprised it flexes/ cracks if you deploy the swim ladder while the terrace is still in the up position. I don't know if the Jeanneau designers thought that the ladder would be used other than when the terrace was in the fully down position (and the cover is underneath as in this photo). I can imagine cases where you might want to get in/ out of the water with the terrace up ... although I expect the ladder would be short and hardly extend into the water like it does when used in the terrace down position. When the ladder is against the cover panel with the terrace up there would be quite some leverage applied to the "legs" of the ladder in the weakest part of the cover panel - if it is to be used in the terrace up position I believe it would have to be strengthened in some way like vertical and horizontal mini fibreglass beams as the panel is only about 8mm thick gel coat and glass mat. How do I know this ??Well we decided not to go for the terrace option for a number of reasons and instead before the boat was finished I decided to buy the "panel" as a spare (these stern panels on various models are spares because people crack them by running into wharfs etc.). - We had the "cover panel" shipped out loose to Australia with the boat and we are nearly finished with the mods to the standard stern section (that you get without the terrace) so as to accommodate the addition of our rebuilt "panel" into a fold down swim platform like Hanse and Dufour have. - The panel was a shell only - very light and little strength as it was only ever meant as a cover piece. We had to build it into a platform with the strength to not distort or break with Al channel "beams" and carbon layups - we needed that level of sophisticated build because the resultant "platform" could not be more than 35mm if it was to work and align with the back of the cockpit floor. When all mods are completed I will post some pics - See BEFORE and AFTER (nearly finished) pics below. And although your panel doesn't need that level of strengthening because you wont be standing on it .... it will need some beefing up so prevent deflection and gel coat cracking if you are going to put the swim ladder "legs" against it when the terrace is in the up position. Cheers Mark www.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43163792/originalwww.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43163901/original
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Post by markclement on May 15, 2018 9:04:58 GMT
Awesome, thanks for the video with the exhaust smoke and the photos of the glass. I have put a couple of quick photos up on in the J51 folder but will sort through some more. If you guys ever come to paradise be sure that you let us know, I would love to get you out for a sail and compare notes. I am thinking that the engine needs checking, they shouldn't blow smoke regardless and should handle 3000 plus revs, they rev to 4,000 plus. i think they should get to hull speed and then start to struggle and thats 9 knots. I can get that at 2,800 revs. Hi Michael, Nice pics of your boat - she is moving fast in some nice Auckland Harbour breeze ? Careful - we may take you up on your offer next we visit the land of the long white cloud
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Post by markclement on May 15, 2018 10:01:18 GMT
Hi Michael and Ania, Just so you know what spec Beyond Cool - Hull No 11 is:- 2 Head layout with utility room - Preference Pack with Oak interior - The extra that gave us bed lamps/ bedheads in V berth and VIP/ upholstery skirting in saloon. - Initially specd Microwave, Fridge in Utility Room and teak cockpit table extras but removed them before cut off date. - Extraction hood in Galley - does not work well -see below - Factory chargers - No A/C, No factory Generator, No watermaker. - Classic Rig / Mylar taffeta performance sails (Lazy Jack 63M2 Main and 110% genoa) - Symmetrical spinnaker rigging - mainly to pole out heady - no spinnaker yet. - Upgraded primary winches with electrics - Park Avenue or "canoe boom" from Z-Spar Local Adds by Dealer/ Us at commissioning:- EC 100 engine monitoring at the two plotters. - Victron Multiplus Inverter charger 3000va Inverter / 120 Amp house battery charger (in addition to factory chargers) - Victron BMV 700 Battery Monitor - Victron GX Display - Local Bimini, Dodger, Infill - Local cockpit cushions - incl cool blue lit drink holders in Snugs - or "Princess seat" as wife refers to = these were just a thing they did because it was at the Sydney Boat Show for Australasian Premiere. - Anchor wash down - Semco on teak Mods Dealer Implemented:- Teak edging in companionway - made huge difference in aesthetics !! - Mods to both stern berth cupboard doors because the doors skimmed the mattress with no allowance for bedding and still be able to open the door. What we have since added:
- Mantus 30 kg plough anchor and 35M 12mm chain/ 40 M 18mm rope - Splashback on transverse galley bench - In the V Berth it was only one switch that turned on both the down lights and the indirect lighting - so we added a power point plus light switch to next to the bed on the port side (like the VIP has a power point. So now the switch as the door controls the down lights and the one next to the bed controls the indirect lighting. The extra power point means if we are watching movies in bed we don't need an extension cord going to the switch near the door to charge the computer. - Modifying the extraction hood to slide out so it will be over stove top when in use - it does not work at the factory fixed installation position. - Webber Q BBQ installed on port pushpit - Honda 3KV portable generator that fits into cockpit table with 20mm gap either side - luv it as we don't use the motor to get hot water if we are in the one spot for a couple of days. - When cruising for over a week we put a Snowmaster 85 Litre two compartment fridge/ freezer in the nav table gap = either compartment can be a fridge or freezer. - We have components for salt water faucet at the galley sinks but I have not got to this one yet. - Just completing the stern mods / conversion of the terrace "flap" to a swim platform - be finished this week. - 240 Watt / 42V solar panel on the Bimini between the backstays as well as a Victron 100/ 30 MPPT Controller - all hard wired permanent. - Additional Victron 100/15 MPPT controller in with port batteries (under VIP bed) with a plug near the flap that covers the battery switches. The purpose is for additional flexible 150W solar panel we can temp hook up if we need it. We are cruising the Great Barrier Reef July - Oct this year and going with The Go East Rally in 2019 May to Aug next year where we sail to New Caledonia and Vanuatu. - ADIT Flush system - LUV THIS - if you have fresh water available in a pen/ marina (does not work if you keep your boat on a swing mooring). What we do is after securing the boat in our marina pen we connect to fresh town water and run for 10 min so fresh water is all through the motor / intercooler/ heat exchanger .. then shut off the motor and run fresh for further 10 secs filling the basket strainer and skin fitting. Yanmar expert agreed doing this will double the life of our heat exchanger !!!! which are $3k + aditmarine.com.au/product/single-remote-flushing-system/- Plan to get a Code D on furler for New Caledonia trip next year I'm sure I have forgotten something Cheers Mark www.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43170689/originalwww.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43170741/original
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Post by goody on May 22, 2018 18:50:03 GMT
Hi Mark, I will send specs for mine later but it is very similar.
I had the motor serviced and checked and it was found to be slightly out of alignment but more importantly that the smoke was in fact steam. The exhaust runs quite hot and he checked the temperature on the gauges but it was still within the tolerances so we have noted it but it is all ok. We had the stem fitting completed this week for the code 0 and the transom strengthened with an aluminum extrusion. It is now very sturdy, feels much better under our feet.
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Post by markclement on May 24, 2018 6:40:32 GMT
Hi Mark, I will send specs for mine later but it is very similar. I had the motor serviced and checked and it was found to be slightly out of alignment but more importantly that the smoke was in fact steam. The exhaust runs quite hot and he checked the temperature on the gauges but it was still within the tolerances so we have noted it but it is all ok. We had the stem fitting completed this week for the code 0 and the transom strengthened with an aluminum extrusion. It is now very sturdy, feels much better under our feet. Hi Michael, Good news about your motor and the platform cover Is this your boat ? NZ review ? When you get a chance I am interested as to how you have organised your stem area for the Code 0 tack. - our boat was a symmetrical spinnaker option so they didn't put the diagonal bow support bar from under the bow roller to the stem .. go figure why they wouldn't fit that even if you didn't order the Code 0 option from the factory. - if that is your yacht in the NZ review video it looks like you didn't have the diagonal "strut" either. - did you install a Seldon or similar removable "bowsprit" pole ? or are you flying the continuous furler drum from the end of the anchor roller area ? Cheers Mark
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Post by goody on May 24, 2018 9:27:46 GMT
Hi Mark, yes that our boat before a few additions, thats Mandy and i downstairs in the video. We ordered the stem fitting afterwards from Jeanneau and it has been retro fitted, i will send photo of that and also the code 0 when we test it out in two weeks time.
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Post by goody on May 26, 2018 2:19:27 GMT
Hi guys, here are our specs, mark note the comment about the generator..
La Bonne Maison has the following and is very similar : - 2 Head layout with utility room - Preference Pack with Oak interior - Bed lamps/ bedheads in V berth and VIP/ upholstery skirting in saloon. - Fridge in Utility Room - Extraction hood in Galley - Factory chargers - A/C, but also No factory Generator, No watermaker βyet" - In mast furler - generally solo sail with Mandy in βprincessβ seat Mylar taffeta performance sails with self tacker only - quite slow downwind but tight reach and upwind ok - One electric winch - inverter from factory - Jeanneau threw in cushions as boat was brought down for the show, - Fusion stereo with bluetooth and bose speakers - Factory bimini and dodger - I was talked into this and it is actually very good - Bowthruster and chain counter - Added additional batteries to take to 740 amp hours - Shore water for marina
Local Adds at commissioning: - BEP battery monitor - Gas remote and sensors - Bimini clears that enclose sides, really good for marina - keeping clean and in winter - extends the cruising time.
What we have since added: - Supreme 35kg anchor with 100 meters of 10mm chain and 50 meters of warp. - Splashback on transverse galley bench about to be added - We use a cobb instead of bbq - no additional gas and can take ashore it is awesome. - Bow fitting for code 0 and about to add the 0
Really interested in your generator, how noisy is it? How much fuel and what load does it put in?
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Post by markclement on May 28, 2018 4:33:26 GMT
Hi guys, here are our specs, mark note the comment about the generator.. La Bonne Maison has the following and is very similar : - 2 Head layout with utility room - Preference Pack with Oak interior - Bed lamps/ bedheads in V berth and VIP/ upholstery skirting in saloon. - Fridge in Utility Room - Extraction hood in Galley - Factory chargers - A/C, but also No factory Generator, No watermaker βyet" - In mast furler - generally solo sail with Mandy in βprincessβ seat Mylar taffeta performance sails with self tacker only - quite slow downwind but tight reach and upwind ok - One electric winch - inverter from factory - Jeanneau threw in cushions as boat was brought down for the show, - Fusion stereo with bluetooth and bose speakers - Factory bimini and dodger - I was talked into this and it is actually very good - Bowthruster and chain counter - Added additional batteries to take to 740 amp hours - Shore water for marina Local Adds at commissioning: - BEP battery monitor - Gas remote and sensors - Bimini clears that enclose sides, really good for marina - keeping clean and in winter - extends the cruising time. What we have since added: - Supreme 35kg anchor with 100 meters of 10mm chain and 50 meters of warp. - Splashback on transverse galley bench about to be added - We use a cobb instead of bbq - no additional gas and can take ashore it is awesome. - Bow fitting for code 0 and about to add the 0 Really interested in your generator, how noisy is it? How much fuel and what load does it put in? Hi Michael, Thanks for the info - very interesting to note the minor differences. - Carolanne noted your gas remote and sensors as she has always said we should have that..... what is the "remote" aspect please. - Your 10mm chain is interesting - we have 35M of 12mm chain = we were told that the standard anchor winch gypsy required a 12mm chain - did you order a non standard Gypsy No 202 or 203 because you wanted 10mm chain ? - The clear sides are a good idea we are planning to add - how do they attach? I think if you look at our boat pics our Oz made Bimini looks much smaller with a large zip infill .. so I am playing around with ideas for the sides. I wish the water didn't run into the two "snug" areas from the two channels on each side running along the cabin top !!! Annoying ! - One other question please ... Do you have any issues with the Fusion bluetooth link ?? We find if we move the phone any further than 1M from the unit (which means we have to leave the phone on the Nav Table) then the signal drops out or is intermittent. That seems pretty hopeless so wondered if yours is the same. Re the Generator:- I have quite a few friends who have the 2KW Honda Gen (E22is) which would have done - but although lighter than my EU30ik 3KW generator it would not be possible to lift into the cockpit table storage because you would be trying to lift with your arm horizontal. It might have been possible to slide it in and out or make up a slide .. but I decided to go the 3KW. - My EU30ik is a bit heavy but it has wheels one end so when putting it away in the table I lift the wheels up on the base and wheel/ push it in. There is about 30mm clearance each side and 75mm at the top at the opening which is the tightest. - When I lift/ pull it back out I get on to a mat at the back of the table and then turn it around so the exhaust is facing aft and open of the dodger window to ensure all exhaust fumes are blow leeward and not drawn downstairs by any wind eddy over the dodger. - This 30kv unit is very effective and on eco mode will run for over 7 hrs on one tank of 5.9L. We usually run for 30 min to an hr because our main use is to get hot water when happy to stay at one anchorage for a few days. It revs up in Eco mode depending on load but even with charger and water heater on after the first ten minutes it runs about 50% full revs. - They rate all the Gens at Max so a bit overstated - but the 3KW Handy puts out continuous 2800 Watts if needed. - The 3KW is rated at 57dbs and the 2KW at 53dbs but what we think is the 3KW is actually quieter because it isn't working as hard and operates on Eco mode at much lower revs (The revs being where the noise level that might be considered loud comes from). When the 3KW is running on a mat on the rear of the cockpit at no load on Eco (essentially idling) it is a very low tone and noise level with the entry hatch and sliding washboard closed. Flick on the water heater and it revs up to say 70% revs and then eases back to 50% revs after 10 minutes and after 20 min the heater reaches temp so stops the draw. We then usually switch on the factory battery charger and also use and A/C appliances and charging at that time. As I said above it easily handles the water heater and the battery charger on at the same time without being on max revs - my guess is 70 to 80% revs. That noise level is acceptable = you are aware of it downstairs but not loud enough to be annoying or loud enough to be considered a nuisance to other boats - I have heard in-boat powerboat generators that a much louder !! We bought ours from "The Generator Place" in Sydney - here is the NZ link for the same company and shows the EU30ik product as well as the E22is is on the site. Hope that helps. generatorplace.co.nz/product/4-honda-eu30ik/Cheers Mark
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Post by ania on May 29, 2018 2:14:03 GMT
The longest distance on our bluetooth link is about the top of the companionway, anything farther than that results in annoying interruptions. Almost makes sense to have dedicated MP3 player next to the Fusion.
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Post by markclement on May 29, 2018 4:20:31 GMT
The longest distance on our bluetooth link is about the top of the companionway, anything farther than that results in annoying interruptions. Almost makes sense to have dedicated MP3 player next to the Fusion. Sounds just like ours - if we are at the saloon table it drops in and out / if in the cockpit basically doesn't work and I would say about the top of the companionway it is in and out = means we basically have to leave the iPhone on the chart table. At a nearby marine store the guy there said they can have to phone at the other end of the shop and it works !!! So I have no idea why our bluetooth basically has a 1M (3 feet) max operating range.
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Post by ania on May 29, 2018 20:10:26 GMT
Try resetting your bluetooth, may be unpair. Ours is uninterrupted to almost three meters away. Quick question, we need additional set of docking lines, do you guys know where to get the matching gray color (I guess they are 5/8' or 16mm) our original docking lines are? Same goes for running rigging, where does Jeanneau factory gets it?
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Post by markclement on May 29, 2018 21:40:42 GMT
Try resetting your bluetooth, may be unpair. Ours is uninterrupted to almost three meters away. Quick question, we need additional set of docking lines, do you guys know where to get the matching gray color (I guess they are 5/8' or 16mm) our original docking lines are? Same goes for running rigging, where does Jeanneau factory gets it? Hi I'm sorry I can't help with the dock lines - we didn't get the Jeanneau dock kits - we bought our own dock lines and fenders before the boat arrived in black. I imagine your agent can buy extra running rigging for you from the factory maybe if you want the exact same colour and braid but I would think it would be much easier and cheaper to get a local equivalent. We have bought a few items from the factory since the boat arrived ten months ago. Just about everything on our boat is "locally" sourced by the factory except the Dometic rangehood from the US - nearly all equipment is French/ timber from Italy/ Wichard clips and Spinlock from the UK etc. Cheers Mark
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Post by ania on May 29, 2018 23:35:50 GMT
Guys check the attachment of this panel in the port VIP Cabin ceiling, fell down on my cousin in the middle of the night.
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Post by markclement on May 29, 2018 23:46:17 GMT
Guys check the attachment of this panel in the port VIP Cabin ceiling, fell down on my cousin in the middle of the night. Hi Ania, Hope your cousin is OK. Yes all these panels in the cabins are held by velcro and are obviously not up to the job with the weight/ boat movement and passage of time. On ours the two headliner panels just inside the VIP doorway dropped down a couple of months ago - I push them back on the velcro and a few days later they are down again. We are going to Sydney for our 12 month warranty check in July and getting the headliners screwed up with the white button covers - just like you have in the headliners in your guest bathroom. I think it still looks OK with the little buttons showing and know they can't drop. Cheers Mark
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Post by ania on May 30, 2018 0:39:59 GMT
How long warranty covers this staff?
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Post by markclement on May 30, 2018 1:19:01 GMT
How long warranty covers this staff? Your contract warranty section should say 2 years for these manufacturing/ build items / appliances are manufacturer warranty period and hull to deck joint and keel joint 5 years
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Post by MalcolmP on May 30, 2018 7:11:19 GMT
Β Hi Ania, Hope your cousin is OK. Yes all these panels in the cabins are held by velcro and are obviously not up to the job with the weight/ boat movement and passage of time. On ours the two headliner panels just inside the VIP doorway dropped down a couple of months ago - I push them back on the velcro and a few days later they are down again. We are going to Sydney for our 12 month warranty check in July and getting the headliners screwed up with the white button covers - just like you have in the headliners in your guest bathroom. I think it still looks OK with the little buttons showing and know they can't drop. Cheers Mark Also look at the fastmount clips that are made in New Zealand. Jeanneau do use them in some locations where a strong but hidden clip is required, much better than velcro
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Post by markclement on May 30, 2018 8:35:33 GMT
Thanks for that Malcolm - I will look into those clips Cheers
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Post by goody on May 31, 2018 8:03:39 GMT
Hi Everyone, so far no issues with falling covers but i will watch for that, i plan to go to Tonga in about two years and would not like that to be an issue on the way. Fusion does get intermittent, I can normally leave the iPhone at the sliding hatch over the companionway but I have a watch that allows me to change volume and tracks from further as it connects to the iPhone. i think you can interface your ray marine to use as remotes but I haven't figured that out yet.
Re the generator I was thinking of putting it in the area under the transom slide panel as this is what it was designed for I think. That should muffle noise and allow for a wet exhaust if that is the best option but i will talk to some people that are smarter than me.
The remote gas is just an on/off in the galley which means we never turn the gas bottle on and off at all. The sniper is in the bilge at the lowest point and the gas gets shut off immediately if the alarm goes.
Yes they wanted the bigger chain but it is hard to get and replace here so 10ml is better and ample, I just put a bit more out. I had to get the gypsy changed to do it.
Great to see all of this info share, really appreciate it.
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Post by rene460 on May 31, 2018 11:54:52 GMT
Hi goody, I know my career background makes me a bit conservative on these issues, but your comment on never switching off the gas bottle really made me shudder.
I am glad to hear that you have an automatic shutoff and a gas leakage alarm. However, the automatic shutoff only means the gas is shutoff when it is not actually being used, and that gas alarm warns if, despite the shutoff, there is a leak somewhere, providing there is someone around to hear it and take appropriate action. Unfortunately, industry has found at great cost that, as soon as you rely on that system, the next issue is the failure of that valve, particularly if both the automatic shutoff and the alarm shutoff use the same valve. And the reliability of that valve is normally not much better than the system without it. And the pressure sensor for the automatic action, and the sniffer for the leakage detection, each introduce further points of potential failure that can each stop the system from working as intended.
Reliability, and consequently safety, in this case is ensured, not by the presence of the auto shutoff and alarm, but by redundancy, backed up by testing and maintenance.
You see, if there is no leak, the gas detector and alarm do not matter as there is nothing for them to do. So if they fail, (corrosion is a common problem that causes them to fail in a marine atmosphere,) it is not noticed. Then, when subsequently a leak occurs, the alarm does not work. We all know oxygen is always there, sources of ignition usually get thrown in free by Murphy, every electrical switch for example, so a fuel leak of heavy gas on a boat is very dangerous.
In your case, the answer is relatively simple. The important principal is to regularly check that your protection system is actually in proper working condition, and to fix it if it is not. And back it up by switching off at the gas bottle when gas will not be needed for any extended time.
First, in addition to the automatic shutoff and alarm, please, always turn off at the gas bottle when you leave the boat.
Second, make sure you know how the power gets to that shutoff valve. It should close when there is no power, and check you can hear it actuate when you light the gas, and check that you cannot light the stove when there is no power to the valve. Similarly, check that the valve shuts off if there is no power to the alarm.
Third, contact the manufacturer of that sniffer and find out how to safely and regularly test it. It's relatively simple.
I would suggest that annually would be a minimum frequency to do these tests for the sake of the safety of your family and yourself, and twice a year would not be too often.
Not an issue unique to your particular model, but common to every boat that uses gas fuel.
Rene460
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Post by markclement on May 31, 2018 23:22:40 GMT
Hi Everyone, Re the generator I was thinking of putting it in the area under the transom slide panel as this is what it was designed for I think. That should muffle noise and allow for a wet exhaust if that is the best option but i will talk to some people that are smarter than me. Great to see all of this info share, really appreciate it. Hi Goody Re the generator ...... By area under the transom slide panel ... Just to check but I'm sure you are referring to the aft central floor locker that is in the lower cockpit floor when you deploy your terrace (or in my case lift that hinged aft cockpit floor section) That "locker" if we are talking about the same area is where the factory generator would go. In your Boating New Zealand video review that is where he shows your terrace cushions stored - we keep the spare rope & anchor there. The main issue for me is the factory generator is diesel .... the Honda portables I was referring to are petrol ! Indeed they have to run on non Ethonol mid octane rating petrol. Petrol on the boat scares the hell out of me so that is why the outboard motor is stored on the push pit, the Honda generator in the cockpit table with valve closed and the outboard tank and spare little fuel containers are all stored under the rear cockpit floor that opens up because it has air flow through to escape at the stern and that hatch down into the locker well where a diesel generator would be installed is well sealed with a rubber gasket - presumably to reduce vibration and noise for a factory diesel gen. i wouldn't store or run a petrol generator in that lower locker as it is possible for fumes to flow into the side deep lockers and from there to the engine compartment as it is not airtight other than the hatch seal. And you might be able to rig up a wet exhaust but the Honda is like your outboard tank = you have to open up the integral tank screw filler to the on position to run it. I'm guessing that the only way you could use that rear sub locker for a petrol generator is to have a liner installed + open up a "drain" at the locker floor level to the stern and a fan exhaust ..... and I would still worry . That's how much I hate petrol on a boat. Just my thoughts on that "generator" locker under the rear cockpit. Cheers Mark
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Post by ania on Jun 2, 2018 15:03:45 GMT
Guys, lost starboard boarding ladder plug. When that happens metal makes contact with gelcoat, not good. Solution below.
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dmrjazz
New Member
Posts: 8
Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau 51
Yacht Name: Mr Jazz
Home Port: Paraty
Country: Brazil
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Post by dmrjazz on Jun 9, 2018 15:38:55 GMT
Ania, On my boat the bilge pump is wired only to the switchboard. If the batteries are disconnected, that is, main battery switches in the off position, then the bilge pump will not function. It is a good idea to test your bilge pump function by tipping some water into the bilge sump and find out what actually happens. The pump ran for me but did not suck as where was some damage to the pump valves.
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dmrjazz
New Member
Posts: 8
Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau 51
Yacht Name: Mr Jazz
Home Port: Paraty
Country: Brazil
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Post by dmrjazz on Jun 9, 2018 16:21:56 GMT
Hi, I have bought a 51, just looking to see if there are other owners out there? It would be good to do some comparisons. Love the boat, its my third Jeanneau.
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