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Post by touchngo on Aug 27, 2015 10:48:48 GMT
Following up on a noise, I popped my head under the lazerette to discover that my rudder has a fair amount of play in it. Initially I had hoped that it was just the quadrant that was loose but alas, it is most definitely the rudder! We gingerly made our way back to last nights harbour, where I ripped out everything to get a better look, and got online to do some research. On here, I found this link, jeanneau.proboards.com/thread/3364/jeanneau-so40-rudder-bearings and have contacted the guys in the UK where Ianqv got his parts from and am waiting for a response. This doesn't look like a job I can do while in the water, but am willing to be told otherwise! Given that this has probably been going on for several hundred miles, and that the retaining bolt and collar are still in perfect condition, I'm guessing I can get from here to a haulout (Leros in all likelihood) but does anyone have an idea of how critical this really is? On my other boat, I used to have a sloppy dagerboard rudder, but that was transom hung and the case itself was pretty ok. Interested in your thoughts etc.... Cheers, PT |
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Post by vasko on Aug 27, 2015 13:28:26 GMT
I had rudder bearing loose on my previous boat for about two years until managed to find a greak yard willing to change it ... but every case is individual and your case if you are unlucky the things may go really wrong.. - e.g. it is a personal risk and decision  |
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Post by touchngo on Aug 27, 2015 17:55:28 GMT
Cheers Vasko. I've decided to fix it. Am waiting on pricing and availability and then if/when the parts arrive here (I'm in Nisyros). I'll drop the rudder in water and fit the new bearings myself. Should be a bit of fun.
PT
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Post by vasko on Aug 27, 2015 18:50:21 GMT
FYI: you may need to change not only the bearing - e.g. the bearing outside may be loose and you may need to put some epoxy or other filler(epoxy or other) to make sure the bearing is stable
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Post by patryk221 on Aug 27, 2015 20:16:32 GMT
I did mine last year, had play in the rudder, now good as new, 5 hours labour bearings had them made for £84 you will need 2 |
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Post by sailbleu on Aug 27, 2015 21:22:33 GMT
Cheers Vasko. I've decided to fix it. Am waiting on pricing and availability and then if/when the parts arrive here (I'm in Nisyros). I'll drop the rudder in water and fit the new bearings myself. Should be a bit of fun. PT PT , Would love to see a pictorial essay appear in the H&T section. Mod. Ianqv has shown us how to do it on the hard , your attempt - floating - would be the cherry on the cake. Please take pics. Regards |
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Post by touchngo on Aug 28, 2015 8:07:22 GMT
Thanks guys. I am heartened by a conversation with my brother in law last night, who related how when he was a Sunsail engineer they replaced them on a boat floating in Netsel Marina.
Will be giving it a go here in Nisyros harbour ((Paloi) and will be sure to take lots of pics as we plan to put it up as a blog/vblog post too.
Just got to order the parts now.
Cheers, PT.
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Post by sleighride on Sept 2, 2015 0:23:53 GMT
Be sure when you order the parts to include the spacers. I just had my two spacers and a bearing replaced on my DS 43. The upper spacer had broken (a hard nylon ring of the same substance found in anchor rollers I believe) . A boatyard did my work with the boat in a sling, and it took three men to lift the rudder back into place after the spacers and bearings were replaced and the shaft was greased.
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Post by ianqv on Sept 16, 2015 22:08:14 GMT
If you do it afloat..... you will instantly acquire God like status here!!
Best Regards
Ian
P.S Apologies to all for going off radar.
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Post by touchngo on Sept 25, 2015 17:17:19 GMT
After waiting 4 weeks for the parts to arrive, I had had more than sufficient time to scare myself into not doing it in the water. We're now on the hard and have just dropped the rudder out. The hardest part was digging a hole to allow us to get it out!
Now we are trying to remove the rubber boots, and are quite glad we are not in the water!
Any tips?
Cheers, PT
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Post by sailbleu on Sept 26, 2015 6:11:02 GMT
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Post by touchngo on Sept 30, 2015 14:44:10 GMT
So, We were able to remove the bottom bearing/bush and rubber boot easy enough, but the top one required a 10 ton hydraulic jack. Getting the new ones in was also problematic. One of the threads here said that they Epoxied in the Delrin bearing/bushes. That would be a HUGE mistake. We dry fit the lower one, and destroyed a scissor jack we borrowed from other yachies in the yard, and then had to call on the yard's hydraulic jack again. They managed to lift the boat before the last 2 mm would go in. The top one was then well lubed up, and went in with the help of a large threaded rod.
So glad we did not try to do this in the water!!!
Cheers, PT
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Post by ianqv on Oct 30, 2015 7:33:40 GMT
Very cruel!!! |
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Post by ianqv on Oct 30, 2015 8:01:10 GMT
So, We were able to remove the bottom bearing/bush and rubber boot easy enough, but the top one required a 10 ton hydraulic jack. Getting the new ones in was also problematic. One of the threads here said that they Epoxied in the Delrin bearing/bushes. That would be a HUGE mistake. We dry fit the lower one, and destroyed a scissor jack we borrowed from other yachies in the yard, and then had to call on the yard's hydraulic jack again. They managed to lift the boat before the last 2 mm would go in. The top one was then well lubed up, and went in with the help of a large threaded rod. So glad we did not try to do this in the water!!! Cheers, PT Hi PT, Thanks for the conclusion to your repair. I epoxied in the "rubber donut" - not the delrin bearing. Best Regards Ian |
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Post by touchngo on Oct 31, 2015 18:59:04 GMT
Cheers Ian. No offense intended. We were amazed at how difficult it was to push the bearing in without any major lubrication (I did try to use a little MacLube but it had little to no effect).
When we worked on the top bearing, we used a LOT of Teflon lube and it went in relatively easily.
The bottom bearing is not coming out without a major fight.
The rubber donuts were press fitted using a threaded rod with a wooden block at each end. Worked fine. I used a 10mm threaded rod initially, but needed a MUCH larger one in the end (20mm if I recall correctly).
I will speak up for Clarke & Carter here. After stuffing up with the shipping, they did refund us the shipping charges (we waited over 4 weeks for the bearings). It was a far from ideal situation, but did ultimately have a successful conclusion.
I am just in the process of writing a blog update on it (we are now in a marina for the winter, with good internet etc...), so will add that to the record when done for anyone who is interested.
Cheers, PT
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Post by ianqv on Nov 1, 2015 20:22:37 GMT
Hi PT
Ours were the same.... we used a large hydraulic jack to press the bottom bearing in.
The top bearing was easier.
Glad you are all sorted.
Best Regards
Ian
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