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Post by MartyB on Aug 11, 2015 3:40:17 GMT
Do not ask me why, but looked at the USA version of the main Jeanneau site. A 379 is now a 389?!?, 409 a 419, 439 a 449, 469 a 470 and 509 a 519..........
SO what is going on? If they are going to change some things out, what is new vs old. Specs look the same.
I know locally the local dealer has sold 18 or 19 409's, so can see how they might want to change something......but usually a bit of fanfare to it.
a VERY confused
Marty
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Post by hoppy on Aug 11, 2015 7:25:19 GMT
It's on all versions of the site, even the .FR version.
Maybe there is a minor update to the boats?
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Post by hoppy on Aug 11, 2015 7:35:01 GMT
Just comparing the 409 / 419 and the only difference I can find is
409
Length overall 12.34 m / 40'5"
419
Length overall 12.76 m / 41'10"
new anchor roller = new model?
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finnw
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Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 379 - 2015. Self-tacking jib, B&G instruments, std. keel.
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Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 379
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Post by finnw on Aug 11, 2015 7:36:01 GMT
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Post by hoppy on Aug 11, 2015 7:44:53 GMT
the photo of the 419 is from the 409 gallery...
I wonder if it is a cynical "length grab" by the marketing department or if the anchor roller was extended to better accommodate anchors like my Rocna Vulcan or perhaps better fit a Code 0?
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Post by hoppy on Aug 11, 2015 7:49:44 GMT
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Post by MartyB on Aug 11, 2015 13:12:22 GMT
The larger rear platform would be on par with the new 349, as it is larger than the initial 409 launch boat of the xx9 series boats. Maybe all of these have this redesigned platform. With some other minor changes the 349 has that people like......
All but the 409 seemed to have dimensions inch for inch, centimeter for centimeter equal but as noted for the 409 length. I did not see any interior floor plan specs etc. Maybe slight changes here, where the head is not in the shower as it is in some. Shower is now its own area which would be nice(r) IMHO.
maybe a true performance option not shown? ie taller mast, deeper keel like old SF versions...really kewl! I have what to do to a 409, might be worth buying an old charter Sunsail version and having fun.....
marty
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Post by puravida35 on Aug 11, 2015 13:59:49 GMT
According to our local dealer, the big differences are a wider platform and a bowsprit much like that of the 349. Downside... only one anchor roller. Beyond those changes, all others seem very incremental (upholstery, companionway steps). More detail: files.ctctcdn.com/98438041501/f87cc45e-dac4-44c0-96a7-9ef512310dca.pdfI would assume a "larger" boat will command a larger price? |
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Post by Tigidal on Aug 12, 2015 15:40:28 GMT
According to our local dealer, the big differences are a wider platform and a bowsprit much like that of the 349. Downside... only one anchor roller. Beyond those changes, all others seem very incremental (upholstery, companionway steps). More detail: files.ctctcdn.com/98438041501/f87cc45e-dac4-44c0-96a7-9ef512310dca.pdfI would assume a "larger" boat will command a larger price? Interesting... Companionway doors are now hinged too, which would be great on my 379. |
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Post by Don Reaves on Aug 12, 2015 19:25:18 GMT
Interesting... Companionway doors are now hinged too, which would be great on my 379. Hinged companionway doors was one of the first things I added to my SO 35. |
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Post by MartyB on Aug 13, 2015 2:24:31 GMT
well neener neener, I have hinged doors on my 85 Arcadia....
Ok, so previous owner made them. BUT< I still have hinged doors! i guess Jeanneau needs to bite some of us in the behind on this idea eh! LOLOLOL
marty
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Post by On y va on Aug 13, 2015 7:27:23 GMT
Usually boat builders stick a new transom on, as this is the cheapest and easiest to do, without compromising much of the original hull design. So, make it stick out 30cm more and you have a new model!
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Post by hoppy on Aug 13, 2015 12:32:43 GMT
Usually boat builders stick a new transom on, as this is the cheapest and easiest to do, without compromising much of the original hull design. So, make it stick out 30cm more and you have a new model! I think the bowsprit has mostly being the reason for them going up one size. I'm not a fan of the folding swim platform, but if they are going to have one, it's better that it's full sized rather than the half size of the "old" models |
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Post by mred25234 on Aug 13, 2015 14:20:54 GMT
I wonder if one can buy the folding companion doors for a 409?
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Post by On y va on Aug 13, 2015 16:00:45 GMT
Usually boat builders stick a new transom on, as this is the cheapest and easiest to do, without compromising much of the original hull design. So, make it stick out 30cm more and you have a new model! I think the bowsprit has mostly being the reason for them going up one size. I'm not a fan of the folding swim platform, but if they are going to have one, it's better that it's full sized rather than the half size of the "old" models : maybe we can renumber our SO40's too then, as we both fitted bow extensions!!  |
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Post by hoppy on Aug 14, 2015 7:50:34 GMT
I think the bowsprit has mostly being the reason for them going up one size. I'm not a fan of the folding swim platform, but if they are going to have one, it's better that it's full sized rather than the half size of the "old" models : maybe we can renumber our SO40's too then, as we both fitted bow extensions!! Mines a SO42BS now |
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Post by puravida35 on Aug 14, 2015 13:59:20 GMT
I'm curious what others think about the single anchor roller on the new bowsprit.
We were interested in the 439... um.. I mean 449, but am concerned about the single anchor roller. We've gotten along fine with a single anchor on our 35 but we don't currently do any serious cruising, just local bay / coastal sailing and rarely spend the night on the hook. Plans for the new boat do include long distance cruising.
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Post by On y va on Aug 14, 2015 15:35:40 GMT
Most "regular" (I avoid the word budget) boatmakers fit the single bowrollers now. Hanse, Beneteau, Jeanneau. It's lots cheaper than shaping something around the bow of stainless steel. I highly doubt it has the same strength though. In fact I am sure it doesn't. Recently saw a charter Beneteau with the whole thing bent and half ripped out of the deck. Shame I didn't make a picture of that.
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Post by captbillh on Aug 15, 2015 4:48:50 GMT
I think that the bow roller was extended to keep the anchor from banging into the plumb bow plus add area to a genny or Code 0. Inside there is indirect lighting and choices of fabrics and floor. The companion steps are sloped less but eliminates the little cubby hole and the nice seat in the 409. It is like Detroit changing a little sheet metal and claiming it to be "all new".
It just shows that they do not see any improvement to 99% of the existing design of the models but need to refresh it for a 5 year span.
With the extra foot added to the bow that raises slip fees for more "air".
I have not used the second roller yet.
I like the smaller transom door. It is easier to use without hydraulic/electric complexity as in the Beneteau 40.
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Post by MartyB on Aug 15, 2015 5:40:37 GMT
If I wond the lottery....a 409 out of the sunsail fleet might be in offing......
REMOVE the swim platform, lose a few hundred pounds of weight.
REMOVE current keel of any sort, make it so it is 7.5-8' of draft, reduce the upper part of chord and width a bit, hopefully lose 500-700 or so lbs here, add a lead bulb on par with current shmedium draft model wt of bulb. Should make it stiffer.....
REMOVE aruminum mast, make it a keel stepped carbon model about 3-4' or a meter taller. Maybe a flattop backstayless like the 349P. SHould add some 10-20% to SA. remove std lines and add a smaller diam dynema halyard....should remove 100-150 lbs or so from the aloft arena.....making boat even more stiff!
Take off SS lifelines, and use dynema line, again a wt savings, maybe if legal per race rules to make stanchions, etc out of aluminum vs SS tubing.....again a bit more wt savings......
I also heard these things have microwave receivers in the galley area.....not needed. What will I receive on said microwave that gps etc does not have.....
Get rid of wires for anomometer in mast, more wt savings up top, put in wireless instruments.....
Doing all the above, should put said boat speed wise pretty close to a 1st 40, J40/120, C&C 121 vs being some 30-40 secs per miles slower per PHRF and other time on distance ratings rules. If not as fast, probably scare them that a "Jeanneau" might catch them if they screw up!
This would be a Marty version of an HMS 409! IE Highly Modified Steroid ed 409!
Back to your normal viewing pleasure
marty
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