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Post by ianpowolny on Jun 27, 2015 7:17:14 GMT
Folks, I see in Hoppy's dinghy post that I can't expect my Honwave to last more than 3 years due to the high UV environment we are sailing in. Is this true?
Can I get Chaps made in Spain or the UK?
Just pricing up an arch so the dinghy will send a lot of time in the sun.
Ian
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Post by hoppy on Jun 27, 2015 17:53:49 GMT
How will you in chaps help your dinghy?   I guess you are reffering to this post jeanneau.proboards.com/post/19500/threadI saw one dinghy in my marina in chaps. It really does not cover so much of the dinghy, so the sun can still make it fail. I'd be inclined to get a cover made that you can use when on the arch |
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Post by chuckr on Jun 28, 2015 12:46:57 GMT
Ian -- our dink is now about 5 years old I would guess. Got it from West Marine while we were in Panama and then headed down to San Blas and Colombia where the sun is about an arms length away. Then we headed across the Carib to the Eastern Carib and then over here. We do not have chaps and dink is holding up well. She rides on the foredeck and always in the sun. We know a lot of cruisers in the Carib that got chaps and hoped it would extend the life as the sun there can be intense but we chose not to and so far no issues. |
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Post by ianpowolny on Jun 28, 2015 14:03:13 GMT
Thanks Chuck you just saved me more money!!! Ian
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Post by On y va on Jun 29, 2015 12:20:49 GMT
I have several boats I look after with dinghies with tube covers. The do not only protect the tubes from UV, but also scratching
and scraping the rubber. Less chance of punctures.
The latest is to have a super velcro taped on your dinghy to hold the cloth. The tape on this velcro is unbelievably strong and water and UV resistant. Works very well and is much better than these little plastic hooks that hook onto the bumper strip. But......good, custom fitted tube covers are not cheap. For an Avon 320 for instance, 1.600 euros.
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Post by Rumpus on Jun 29, 2015 15:47:59 GMT
Ian,
If you send you details to Dolphin Sails, they can make you up tube covers or a complete cover quite reasonably (and send out to you)
they have examples on the website www.dolphinsails.com
They are currently making us a cover to go over ours while on davits. |
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Post by simonthepom on Jun 29, 2015 16:28:18 GMT
I'm also looking into this. I got a quote from a mob in Corfu for about €650 for our 2.6m rib. It doesn't have a rubber rail for the clips to to go on so he said he'd stick Velcro strips to the dinghy as mentioned above. I'm umming and arghhing as I thought 650 was steep...
His quote includes use of quality Sunbrella canvas. Based on the price mentioned above, maybe I should go for it??
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Post by hoppy on Jun 29, 2015 20:45:16 GMT
I'm also looking into this. I got a quote from a mob in Corfu for about €650 for our 2.6m rib. It doesn't have a rubber rail for the clips to to go on so he said he'd stick Velcro strips to the dinghy as mentioned above. I'm umming and arghhing as I thought 650 was steep... His quote includes use of quality Sunbrella canvas. Based on the price mentioned above, maybe I should go for it?? sounds almost as expensive as a dinghy. might as well go without and put the money aside for your next dinghy |
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Post by sailbleu on Jun 30, 2015 4:54:24 GMT
Ian,
First of all , you own a Honwave , and as far as I know these dinghies are made of hypalon , which is a material that withstands UV beter than the average pvc .
I have a pvc that is at the end of its lifespan due to Med. UV impact , sticky all over , so I'm in for a new one . As far as i remember I did explain - in the other topic that is - I would go for a new pvc and get a cover made or make it myself . It does help , also for a hypalon btw.
Investing in a hypalon and see the dinghy get stolen in the Carib , or Med for that matter , would hurt .
Pvc 's will last in the Carib no longer than 3years I expect , with cover I would guess double , do the math . What's the price of the dinghy and what' s the price of the cover ?
I see alot of boaters make their own cover as good and as bad it gets. In some marinas there are even people ( live-aboards ) that specialize in making such covers for a fair price. I'm talking about 200 to 300 € .
If I were you I would make the investment or the effort , compaired to the price of a honwave the cost of a cover would be peanuts.
Regards
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Post by sailbleu on Jun 30, 2015 5:16:39 GMT
I'm also looking into this. I got a quote from a mob in Corfu for about €650 for our 2.6m rib. It doesn't have a rubber rail for the clips to to go on so he said he'd stick Velcro strips to the dinghy as mentioned above. I'm umming and arghhing as I thought 650 was steep... His quote includes use of quality Sunbrella canvas. Based on the price mentioned above, maybe I should go for it?? Simon , 650 is indeed a high price , this is what i would pay for a new pvc dinghy 270 . www.ebay.it/itm/GOMMONE-GONFIABILE-PAGLIOLATO-IN-ALUMINIO-270X152X42-CM-Z-RAY-II-300-JILONG-/360954367286?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_101&hash=item540a8e8d36And to think that these were a 100€ less before the end of april this year. Obviously this is a summertime price and will drop back to 569€ in october. But the cover doesn't have to be sunbrella cloth , polyester will do just fine , i made all sorts of covers for my outboards , electrical and petrol , and even made a cockpit enclosure . Next to the color that fades away due to UV impact , the (very cheap) polyester cloth can really cope with harsh eviromental conditions , be it sun or rain . I would guess making a cover yourself , or the wife that is , would not be that difficult . Last winter I've seen several live-aboards tackle the problem , the end results are acceptable . Regards |
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Post by On y va on Jun 30, 2015 14:51:17 GMT
The price I mentioned was for an Avon 420, not a 320. And included the centre console (seat steering wheel) cover too. Hence it was all rather expensive.
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Post by hoppy on Jun 30, 2015 19:17:12 GMT
I'm also looking into this. I got a quote from a mob in Corfu for about €650 for our 2.6m rib. It doesn't have a rubber rail for the clips to to go on so he said he'd stick Velcro strips to the dinghy as mentioned above. I'm umming and arghhing as I thought 650 was steep... His quote includes use of quality Sunbrella canvas. Based on the price mentioned above, maybe I should go for it?? Who in Corfu gave you the quote? |
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Post by vasko on Jun 30, 2015 19:56:31 GMT
all this prices sound crazy to me... I got a "Heavy Duty Boat Cover for 10 ft. inflatable boats, small dingies, Waterproof" for £15.99 2014 ... www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252006135752and it is very durable material and well made... no idea how someone can spend the amount of a new RIB ( not dinghy actually RIB with GRP bottom) for just a cover which job is to disintegrate instead of the dinghy - it should be cheap ! |
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Post by simonthepom on Jul 1, 2015 6:23:44 GMT
I'm also looking into this. I got a quote from a mob in Corfu for about €650 for our 2.6m rib. It doesn't have a rubber rail for the clips to to go on so he said he'd stick Velcro strips to the dinghy as mentioned above. I'm umming and arghhing as I thought 650 was steep... His quote includes use of quality Sunbrella canvas. Based on the price mentioned above, maybe I should go for it?? Who in Corfu gave you the quote? Giatras boat covers - they're the Quantum Sails local dealer. |
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Post by On y va on Jul 1, 2015 7:34:45 GMT
all this prices sound crazy to me... I got a "Heavy Duty Boat Cover for 10 ft. inflatable boats, small dingies, Waterproof" for £15.99 2014 ... www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252006135752and it is very durable material and well made... no idea how someone can spend the amount of a new RIB ( not dinghy actually RIB with GRP bottom) for just a cover which job is to disintegrate instead of the dinghy - it should be cheap ! Yes, would you like a grey tarpaulin on your 4 million euro Oyster? hahahahaha I say! What-oh!!! Each to their own Vasko, some people just like everything top notch, and don't need to look at the pennies. Properly, custom made covers are just very time consuming to make. I am not saying I would spend this sort of money, I always pack up my dinghy as much as I can. So I have a Bombard AX3 Aero and an electric pump. Small and light. It spends most of its time in the cockpit locker. |
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Post by hoppy on Jul 1, 2015 7:45:09 GMT
Who in Corfu gave you the quote? Giatras boat covers - they're the Quantum Sails local dealer. The tall girl working there is lovely  When I get my mast back on I was going to get them to measure up for a shade cover over the boom. |
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Post by hoppy on Jul 1, 2015 7:51:20 GMT
all this prices sound crazy to me... I got a "Heavy Duty Boat Cover for 10 ft. inflatable boats, small dingies, Waterproof" for £15.99 2014 ... www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252006135752and it is very durable material and well made... no idea how someone can spend the amount of a new RIB ( not dinghy actually RIB with GRP bottom) for just a cover which job is to disintegrate instead of the dinghy - it should be cheap ! Yes, would you like a grey tarpaulin on your 4 million euro Oyster? hahahahaha I say! What-oh!!! Each to their own Vasko, some people just like everything top notch, and don't need to look at the pennies. Properly, custom made covers are just very time consuming to make. I am not saying I would spend this sort of money, I always pack up my dinghy as much as I can. So I have a Bombard AX3 Aero and an electric pump. Small and light. It spends most of its time in the cockpit locker. The tarp is perfect for Vasko's crab pot Which locker do you put it in? I keep meaning to see if mine fits under the port helm seat. That one I keep empty and use it for fenders when sailing. Been thinking to store them in the anchor locker on a passage. |
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Post by vasko on Jul 1, 2015 8:00:31 GMT
all this prices sound crazy to me... I got a "Heavy Duty Boat Cover for 10 ft. inflatable boats, small dingies, Waterproof" for £15.99 2014 ... www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252006135752and it is very durable material and well made... no idea how someone can spend the amount of a new RIB ( not dinghy actually RIB with GRP bottom) for just a cover which job is to disintegrate instead of the dinghy - it should be cheap ! Yes, would you like a grey tarpaulin on your 4 million euro Oyster? hahahahaha I say! What-oh!!! Each to their own Vasko, some people just like everything top notch, and don't need to look at the pennies. Properly, custom made covers are just very time consuming to make. I am not saying I would spend this sort of money, I always pack up my dinghy as much as I can. So I have a Bombard AX3 Aero and an electric pump. Small and light. It spends most of its time in the cockpit locker. Agree as my boat is a small "crab pod" as per Hoppy 34 footer... I have limited space and my dinghy is either deflated and packed or inflated and on the davits - I will say 50/50 of the time when I'm on the boat the dinghy is on the davits... I have a huge experience with different type and brands of entry level dinghies in the past 10 years... my current one is (proved to be the bast option so far): Plastimo 2.4 - slatted floor - got it from a guy on ebay who hasn't used it even once for 5 years from new - £150 As I'm a big guy (120+kg) I've added inflatable floor from SeaGo 2.4 for £95 fits perfectly on top of the slatted floor and make entry and exit and travel A LOT more comfortable. Cover for £15 My outboard is a old one - Yamaha Malta - 2hp - starts every-time on one third of a pull got it with the boat - very light and I always take the dinghy with the outboard on the davits -e.g. no need for annoying procedure for putting in/out/mounting engine every day.. - this way my spending for the dinghy and around it are about £260 used it for two years now and all is perfect and seems may last another 3-5 years... - does an amazing job for the travelling that I do 1/2 mile or less to the beach... if I have a bigger boat then I will definitely go for small dinghy/RIB 2.4-3.2 but with GRP floor, centre console and 8hp-9hp outboard with electric start - Avon has such a RIB which is great and can be found from time to time on ebay in perfect condition in the range of £2.5K - £4K outboard included - from motor-boaters who has sold their boats... |
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Post by Zanshin on Jul 1, 2015 17:26:13 GMT
Ian -- our dink is now about 5 years old I would guess. Got it from West Marine while we were in Panama What is important to know is whether you have a Hypalon dinghy or not. If not, you won't see the material degrade but the seams will start falling apart in the sun and heat. I've had 2 non-Hypalon dinghies disintegrate on me. Since Hypalon is UV-resistant there's no need for chaps. |
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Post by On y va on Jul 2, 2015 9:04:13 GMT
Ian -- our dink is now about 5 years old I would guess. Got it from West Marine while we were in Panama What is important to know is whether you have a Hypalon dinghy or not. If not, you won't see the material degrade but the seams will start falling apart in the sun and heat. I've had 2 non-Hypalon dinghies disintegrate on me. Since Hypalon is UV-resistant there's no need for chaps. True, hypalon is the best against UV damage. But chaps are not just for UV protection. Also from scratching and a first barrier of protection. I.e. wacking into the concrete of a dock or wooden mooring pole. Whatever. Much better with chaps. So it is very much what u want. On all bigger yachts with ribs I see here in Palma de Mallorca, more than 50% have chaps on their ribs. Especially on sailing yachts. I think it is also the "looks" factor that is important. I don´t like these things, as when they get wet, u have a wet butt too. I think it is what you want and whether or not you want to spend the money on them. |
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