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Post by hoppy on Apr 30, 2015 15:51:34 GMT
I was thinking it could be handy to have everyone to list what anchor they have and whether the bow roller was modified to accommodate it
2002 Sun Odyssey 40
Delta 16kg
Pivoting bow roller. Does not seem to be standard, but perhaps was an option as it is the same as listed on the 40.3
I've been looking at getting a 20kg Rocna Vulcan or Spade. I made a template for the Rocna and whilst it fits just as well as my Delta when up, it looks like the stem shape will cause it to hit the bow (I think). There is a Spade on a 43 DS next to me and it looks like it has a similar sized bow roller and may have the same problem but they have fitted a stainless plate on the bow.
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Post by vasko on Apr 30, 2015 23:06:02 GMT
I have bruce 15kg and 40m chain on 34 feet and very happy , I have experience with CQR before and wasn't happy
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Post by dublin on Apr 30, 2015 23:17:42 GMT
I have a spade with 25m of 10mm chain and 50m of 18mm octoplait on a 39ds. Firs on the bow roller. Added protection to bow because it spins when coming up and will hit the bow. But when stowed is sport 2 cm off the gelcoat
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Post by Don Reaves on Apr 30, 2015 23:19:05 GMT
I have a 15Kg Bruce on my SO35 with 100 feet of chain. I never anchor in more than about 20 feet of water, so I've never gotten to the end of the chain. The only problem I've had with it is in heavy weeds.
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Post by sunnydayz on May 1, 2015 0:04:05 GMT
I had a Rocna on my previous yacht a 2007 42 DS, having relegated the standard issue Delta as a spare. Main issue was making dinks on the bow on retrieval. The bow roller on reflection probably should have been extended.
Our current yacht (2007 SO45) has a stainless steel bow protector, which appears to have done a great job of protecting the gelcoat. Just fitted 85m of grade 40 chain from Maggi and a new Spade anchor. Would have purchased another Rocna, but we use a bowsprit on this yacht as the roll bar on the Rocna intrudes. The Spade appears to fit well.
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Post by sleighride on May 1, 2015 0:11:48 GMT
I have a 47 pound Quickline (similar to Spade) on the original roller on my DS43. No modifications, but I have to be careful when it spins into place just before it hits the roller. I have 200 feet of 5/16th inch high test chain and 300 feet of nylon twisted 5/8th inch rode. I have had the boat 13 years but I do have a couple of minor dings where the anchor hit the bow when a crew member brought it up too quickly. A stainless steel plate would be a nice addition.
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Post by so36idavid on May 1, 2015 2:24:45 GMT
I have a 15Kg Bruce on my SO35 with 100 feet of chain. I never anchor in more than about 20 feet of water, so I've never gotten to the end of the chain. The only problem I've had with it is in heavy weeds. Hi Don, I'm not one to criticize another man's anchoring technique but... If you anchor in 20 ft of water and assuming that the roller is 5 ft off the surface then 100ft of chain gives you 4:1 scope and that's ignoring tidal range. So if you have room to swing and there's bad weather expected you might think about throwing a bit more scope out. I like at least 6:1 scope and if I have room I don't hesitate to let all of it out (300'). It doesn't do any good in the locker. I've comfortably sat out some pretty nasty stuff without dragging so that's what works for me. As for my boat (36i), I have a 16kg Delta with 150' of chain and 150' of line. It has the self-launching bow roller which is awesome. I do have a problem with the geometry in the way that the chain leads from the anchor to the windlass. It tends to push up against the hatch of the anchor locker when the anchor is firmly home. If there are any 36i owners out there who can shed light on what to do with this mystery I'd be grateful. David |
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Post by allegria on May 1, 2015 3:55:09 GMT
Hello,
I have a Manson Supreme 35lb with 30m of chain + 30m of rope on my SO 36i.
I have added a steel plate on the bow as it was sometime taking bits of gel-coat away when lifting it back.
I have the same issue as David where the chain pushes slightly against the hatch of the locker but I believe this is acceptable.
One thing that happened in the early days is that the one of the roller's bolt got loose to the point where I nearly lost it. Worth checking that it doesn't happen on yours...
Cheers,
Allegria
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Post by Don Reaves on May 1, 2015 10:00:35 GMT
Hi David,
I agree with you completely. Scope is very important, and I do pay attention to it. So I guess the 20 foot figure is too high. Typically more like 10 or 12 feet, I would guess. There have been a time or two when I was in deeper water, but it was only for an hour or two on a calm afternoon.
Don
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Post by DUET on May 1, 2015 19:37:10 GMT
I originally used a 55 lb Rocna with which I was pleased. However, the anchor continually hit the bow necessitating a gelcoat repair. The anchor was subsequently recalled, so I bought a Manson Supreme 60 lb (similar design) which holds just as well, but there is a slight difference in design that permits retracting without hitting the bow. My opinion is that the Manson (or Rocna) is better than the Bruce 66 I previously used and sets much more quickly.
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Post by Tafika II on May 1, 2015 21:06:17 GMT
We have a Rocna25 as our main with 300Ft Chain, Delta25 with 100Ft chain 200 rode as a backup and Fortress Danforth style (Aluminum) aft with 25FT chain & 200 rode. We did an 4Inch extension to the roller platform to eliminate the hull anchor damage described by other above. See the layout & pictures in the Hint & Tips section www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/bowspritfurler.html |
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Post by so36idavid on May 2, 2015 1:18:09 GMT
Hi David, I agree with you completely. Scope is very important, and I do pay attention to it. So I guess the 20 foot figure is too high. Typically more like 10 or 12 feet, I would guess. There have been a time or two when I was in deeper water, but it was only for an hour or two on a calm afternoon. Hi Don, I'm guessing you're somewhere on the E. Coast. Here in California the coast is typically steep-to. Heck my slip is 20' deep! If I ever found myself in 10' of water I'd probably be no more than a boat length or two off of the beach, panic stations! So anchoring is a bit more challenging but on the other hand we get to do it all year round  . |
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Post by touchngo on May 2, 2015 4:56:19 GMT
SO40 with 80 Meters of 10mm and a 20Kg Rocna. We have a stainless bow protector strip. Pics and vids of the boat, anchor, etc... are on our website (www.touchandgosailing.com) Cheers, PT One of the nice things about the Rocna being made in China is that every time we stick it down, it starts digging itself home.  |
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Post by sitara on May 2, 2015 6:22:37 GMT
15 kg Rocna with standard bow fitting. 40 m 10 mm chain and 100 m nylon rope. No problem with the fit of the Rocna.
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Post by chuckr on May 2, 2015 8:39:56 GMT
For the past 8 years and hundreds of anchorages we have used a 40lb delta with 150 ft of chain and 250 ft of rode. I would prefer a Rocna but not in the cards. We have 2 backups, one is a medium size Danforth and one is a large fortress. |
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Post by Don Reaves on May 2, 2015 10:45:44 GMT
David,
I'm on the Great Lakes (Ontario). No tides makes shallow water less of an issue.
On the other hand, I get five months in a good year.
Don
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Post by MartyB on May 4, 2015 3:48:49 GMT
If I anchored in 10', and had todays tide change, I'd be in -2' of water at Low tide!!!! I usually want 20' minimum, many times 40-50' is semi normal. Some places you can anchor in 150-200' and be all of 50' from shore. or for that matter, have the bow touch the cliff, and be in 150+', and have some 500' above you!
While I like this thread. Some area's one needs multiple options on anchoring. Here in the salish sea. Sometimes one has 2-1 off the bow, and a floating stern line 50' to shore attached to a LARGE Rock on shore. A boat length or two of chain and the rest rope rode is common. ALtho some have 300-400' of chain for the "cough" "cough" shallow 100-150' deep anchorages......
I have a 9 lb fast set with 6' of 3/8'bbb and 200' of 7/16" for my race anchor. Could be as little as 5.5 lbs of anchor, and 11.25 lbs total to meet race specs. Big anchor is a 7.5KG Bruce with 20' of 1/4HT and 250' of 5/8" rode. Would prefer 50' of chain.....but the amount of times I truly anchor is so minimum, that not sure I will ever upgrade the chain length per say.
I should also point out, boat is a max 30' long, 28' LOD, about 7K lbs loaded ready to go! Probably the smallest boat to answer.
At the end of the day, again, there is not a right or wrong per say, just what works for the area you need to anchor in etc.
Marty
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Post by sailbleu on May 4, 2015 7:11:37 GMT
Rocna rocks and rules , even the diy ones .
My first one was bruce , I had two of them and felt really happy when they were sold. But maybe it was me.
CQR 15 kg as an experiment was straight in my alley and the 22 kg in a later stage closed the circle.
But being a restless mind and the constant need to bring things to a higher level got me into Rocna.
I then saw the light , awesome , drop it , respect the scope , and you are nailed as they say.
Mind you , not even the rocna can handle weed , with a near collision as the result of it.
Thank god there are boaters that have a ready to launch dinghy in stand by mode to push a drifting yacht aside.
The moral of the story ,.........even with a rocna never forget to set the anchor alarm.
Most lessons are learned the hard way I guess.
Regards
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Post by elecco on May 5, 2015 2:28:21 GMT
Purchased my 39i six months ago. She came with the standard delta with 100' of 3/8 chain and 100' of rode. I'm located in San Francisco Bay and like to anchor both inside the bay as well as up and down the coast. Seems like every time I tried to set the delta it was 3 tries (and I'm patient when it comes to setting the anchor). I decided to change to a Rocna 25 (55lbs). Maybe a little overkill but I've been able to set in in similar conditions to when I used the delta and the anchor set both times, first try. So far I'm impressed with the Rocna. My only complaint is the Rocna spins around when I pull it from the water. I've had to reach over the pulpit and rotate and then quickly get it up on the anchor roller. Not sure why it does that.
Next will be an upgrade to 200' of 3/8th chain.
~Ed
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Post by zofiasailing on May 17, 2015 22:19:33 GMT
42SO DS
18kg Delta + 65m 10mm chain
Also have a Marsh Stockless for ribbon weed plus a Fortress as a spare.
Our random solution to our anchor occasionally attacking the gelcoat is a piece of self-adhesive 3M 'non-slip' stuff. The pack came with 2 cards suitable for covering 2 steps. We cut a section approx 1/3 of one piece and applied it to the 'attack zone'. It's quite spongy but strong so doesn't look all hacked up and doing a fine job of preventing any more 'dings'.
SV Zofia
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Post by dublin on May 18, 2015 17:59:38 GMT
April 28, 2011 post in Delta Anchor shows flat wrap around bow fender which works very well and was not expensive from Compass Marine
Can seem to get the link to appear but if you search under Dublin posts you will find it
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Post by hoppy on Jun 20, 2015 6:39:47 GMT
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Post by sailbleu on Jun 20, 2015 10:26:47 GMT
You know what they say about Rocna yes ? You will be in need of two chains , one to anchor and one to prevent it from getting stolen Ps: Please keep us informed on the performance Hoppy , really curious if the Vulcan is as good as previous model. I'm sure the price equals that of the roll bar type , if not higher. Regards |
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Post by vasko on Jun 21, 2015 7:39:38 GMT
Hoppy , When you decide to sell the boat do let me know  I will exchange my crab pod with your shiny all changed all new great Jessabee and even will keep the name of your boat and will let you sail it when you want |
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Post by hoppy on Jun 21, 2015 8:03:15 GMT
Hoppy , When you decide to sell the boat do let me know I will exchange my crab pod with your shiny all changed all new great Jessabee and even will keep the name of your boat and will let you sail it when you want I was talking to a neighbour about neighbours SO49 saying that it is the boat I would like if I ever upgraded, but then admitted I'd be crazy to consider a change after everything I've upgraded on Jessabbe |
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