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Post by vasko on Jan 28, 2015 20:34:29 GMT
One of my ( port side) poly-carbonate side windows ( 3m x 0.4m) with a small curve has developed a crack and need to be changed ASAP - the two companies that I found that can work with poly-carbonate in Alicante thinks that cannot do it because of the curve ..
the boat is quite old - 1990 - Sun Liberty 34 ... not sure if Jeanneau can supply it....
any one any ideas ? from where I can get some one or some company that can cut and curve it to shape ?
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Post by On y va on Jan 28, 2015 21:47:36 GMT
Depends on the curve. But normally this is not a problem.
Can you provide a photo maybe, so I can see what curve we are talking about?
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Post by vasko on Jan 29, 2015 0:11:30 GMT
there is a vertical curve and the the poly-carbonate is tinted...
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Post by vasko on Jan 29, 2015 9:33:01 GMT
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Post by On y va on Jan 29, 2015 15:18:37 GMT
That shouldn't be a problem at all. What makes them say they cannot do this??
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Post by vasko on Jan 29, 2015 16:04:54 GMT
spanish... who knows.. still waiting for offer from the last local\alicante company .. found a company in uk that can do it and waiting from jeanneau to see how much they will charge...
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Post by vasko on Jan 29, 2015 16:09:44 GMT
tanned 201x37x8 actual size in cm and closeup picture
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Post by vasko on Feb 6, 2015 14:48:27 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Feb 6, 2015 17:27:59 GMT
Yes I thought it would be pricey - the firm I mentioned in my PM to you www.trendmarine.com/ might also do it, but they were very expensive 20 years ago even for a flat window With the old window as a pattern they should be able to get it precise - good luck - and of course take some photos on the refit - good Hints and Tips project in the making... Doesn't help I know but at least you don't have a First 32s5 - now that is a difficult window
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Post by vasko on Feb 6, 2015 17:36:57 GMT
ououu 32s5 seems really tricky if a new window need to be made...
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Post by vasko on Feb 6, 2015 17:46:18 GMT
Just sent to this guys a quote request too... let see what they will offer..
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Post by hoppy on Feb 6, 2015 18:16:49 GMT
Looking at that site, I would not be surprised if the quote comes back superyacht sized Good luck
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Post by vasko on Feb 6, 2015 18:35:08 GMT
I've specially attached photos of my miserable yacht to get the picture that it is not for a super yacht
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Post by sleighride on Feb 6, 2015 20:43:38 GMT
i have a DS43 that had a crack in the starboard bow window which also had a curve and was taking water through the crack. The window was removed and the crack was repaired and the window re-installed by Marine Service Center in Anacortes, Washington. It was repaired two years ago and has sailed in seven gales and not leaked since the repair.
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Post by vasko on Feb 6, 2015 20:54:58 GMT
How was the repair made ? e.g. what was the procedure ?
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Post by sleighride on Feb 6, 2015 21:35:02 GMT
They cut the window out (as you have done) cleaned it and placed it in a vice; then used some type of glue to fill and to seal the crack. The tricky part was getting the correct primer and then sealant to reinstall the window. The black sealant was Sikaflex 295, and I believe the primer (critical for bonding) was Sikaflex 209. The 295 has a very limited shelf life and so you need to be sure it has not been sitting around in some warehouse for more than six months or so before it is used.
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frankc64
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SO32 Owner - "Little Gull"
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Post by frankc64 on Feb 7, 2015 3:45:33 GMT
Vasko, You might get by with some of those vendors, but are you sure that the window needs to be provided in a curved format? I think you might be be able to simply cold form it to the proper shape yourself. Get the size and 2D shape right, then form it right at the opening. I haven't seen this personally, but I work with vendors who form poly-carbonate with sheet metal press brakes at room temperature. I can see why vendors may be skittish about the curve because they may not know exactly what the curve is. You may be able to by this flat and form it as needed.
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Post by vasko on Feb 7, 2015 10:18:38 GMT
Vasko, You might get by with some of those vendors, but are you sure that the window needs to be provided in a curved format? I think you might be be able to simply cold form it to the proper shape yourself. Get the size and 2D shape right, then form it right at the opening. I haven't seen this personally, but I work with vendors who form poly-carbonate with sheet metal press brakes at room temperature. I can see why vendors may be skittish about the curve because they may not know exactly what the curve is. You may be able to by this flat and form it as needed. the vertical bending is the issue it is almost 90degree
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frankc64
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SO32 Owner - "Little Gull"
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Post by frankc64 on Feb 7, 2015 16:36:55 GMT
We work with polycarbonate a bit at work, so I know that a sheet metal shop could do this easily. If I were to try it myself, I'd plan on screwing up a couple of pieces. It would be a little like bending conduit in that you have to build in some 'adds' to your desired bend line. A little heat would help. You can see from these Youtube links that it bends very easily - even cold.
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Post by vasko on Feb 11, 2015 10:08:29 GMT
FYI :
I decided to go with the path of repairing the window using Windshield Repair Kit - but juts for FYI - the offers that I got for manufacturing the window: ( all parties has the exact details, size and material spec.)
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For something like this it would cost in the region of around £700.00 cut to and bent to angles etc
Nikola Steele
Sales Administrator
Tel: +44 (0) 113 249 2222
Fax: +44 (0) 113 235 9944
Nikola Steele <Nikola.Steele@barkstonltd.co.uk>
------------- Vasko,
Apologies for the delay in coming back to you I have had to make a few enquiries on this for you.
I can get this in a smoked grey tint polycarbonate effect if this would be sufficient? I can’t get a blue tint unfortunately in polycarbonate.
In terms of the fabrication it is a very tricky piece looking at the picture because it bends along the length and slightly with the shape of the boat deck so we would need to outsource that side of it.
Price wise to do this it’s looking in the region of £3500-£4000 inc VAT.
Kind Regards Jamie Brooks <jamie@acrylicsrus.co.uk>
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Dear Sir,
With reference to your recent enquiry through our website regarding a replacement window to suit your craft, please find as follows information as requested.
I have taken a look into your enquiry and unfortunately as we were not the original manufacturers we would not have any information/patterns or moulds to enable us to produce a replacement, therefore we would require the original panel returned to us to use as a template.
Looking at the photographs provided we believe that the original panel is unframed and manufactured from Perspex/acrylic and not toughened glass. Based on the above assumption the cost for us to manufacture a new acrylic/Perspex panel only (subject to this being within our capabilities/parameters) would be in the region of £2,000.00 + vat (excluding carriage or packing costs). Please note that should you require a printed black UV protective border to be applied to the panel then the price quoted above would alter accordingly.
I would like to make you aware that as we were not the original manufacturers we could not guarantee that we could match the tint of the existing panel and could only offer our standard Perspex tints/thicknesses held in stock, therefore this can be discussed once we have received the original panel returned.
Ex-works delivery for a replacement panel would be approximately 8 to 10 working weeks from order, payment and original panel returned to us to use as a template.
Kind Regards
TREND MARINE PRODUCTS LTD
Tina Whatling
(Estimator)
Note; all quoted prices are valid for a period of 90 days.
All quotations are subject to Trend Marine Products Limited terms and conditions of sale. These are available to view on our website.
Trend Marine Products Limited,
Catfield, Gt Yarmouth, NR29 5BG. United Kingdom
Telephone: +44 (0) 1692 581307 Fax: +44 (0) 1692 582550
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Post by dbostrom on Feb 11, 2015 23:06:48 GMT
Makes a little glue seem overwhelmingly attractive.
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Post by vasko on Feb 21, 2015 21:44:25 GMT
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Post by MartyB on Feb 21, 2015 22:59:32 GMT
Do they make other model windows of that era?
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Post by vasko on Feb 22, 2015 0:21:46 GMT
check the web site they have list of boats that they have all the forms + they can do made to measure too , seems very professional company
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Post by MartyB on Feb 22, 2015 4:04:08 GMT
I did look somewhere here in last hour or two or three....Did not see an arcadia listed. Then again, they might have the plan for it.....
Then, shipping. I'm probably about as far from France as one can be in the northern hemisphere! upper left coast of US........
I would like some newer windows, so maybe I an get rid of the leak issues. That would probably also mean r&r'ing the teak plywood on the inside......
New('er) boat is sounding better and better........Too bad the three SF35's for sale in NA are as far away as they are.....
Marty
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