Pabeye
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Post by Pabeye on Dec 18, 2014 18:58:16 GMT
Hi All I am contemplating buying a Jeanneau 39i or 42i in the near future. I am moving up from a "vintage" Tartan with only one helm and a lovely Garmin 740s Chartplotter right in front of me which i refer to often. The problem I see with either of these twin helm boats is that the GPS Chartplotter mounted on the cockpit table is very difficult to see. Has anone else had this concern? What are your solutions? Is there a GPS/master slave set up that anyone uses? Would it be difficult to mount a pai9r of GPS units one at each helm? Is there an easily accessible 12v source at each helm? Thank in advance for your comments and suggestions.
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Post by Tafika II on Dec 18, 2014 19:54:41 GMT
I have a SO42DS which has the same cockpit wheel & table configuration as the 42i. My chartplotter (12") is mounted just below the after end of the table. I have had no issues with it except when viewing from the port wheel with polarized sunglasses on, I have to tilt my head. I did not have the unit mounted on the table so to prevent banging into it and either damaging the chartplotter, table or the mount. 12VDC runs to the table through the aft mounting tubes and to each helm from inside the cockpit lazzerette.
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Post by sitara on Dec 18, 2014 20:26:54 GMT
My SO36i has a plotter at the helm which I also love and use all the time. Recently I sailed on a SO43 which had the plotter mounted under the cockpit table. While this worked well it was not that easy to see from the helm position. The ideal solution would be a pair of plotters, one at each helm. I use the Raymarine e7 and find it quite large enough when positioned close to the helm. The Raymarine plotters can be linked together, one as a master and the other as a slave as far as I know, and would assume this applies to other plotters as well. The other solution is to have a single plotter mounted at the helm next to the engine controls.
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Post by dbostrom on Dec 18, 2014 20:37:13 GMT
We chartered a 40.9 in Australia that sported a nifty swiveling arrangement, with the plotter up on the end of the table mounted on a ball joint with a large loosening/locking knob. It was dandy. Between my spine issues and the amount of detail on a chart I can't imagine dealing with the as-built arrangement. The swivel was similar to this but more substantial, with a less cruel locking knob etc. |
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Post by hoppy on Dec 18, 2014 21:04:38 GMT
I have a Raymarine e7 (7 inch) mounted under the table of my SO40 and don't have a problem with viewing it. I would prefer it to be mounted above the table and on a swivel base but that is more so I can use it when sitting in front of the helms.
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Pabeye
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Post by Pabeye on Dec 19, 2014 1:56:53 GMT
I am hoping to make one of these boats mine very soon. The 42 has a Ray 120E mounted on the aft end of the cockpit table rather low down. The smaller boat has same mounting position but a smaller chartplotter. I have sexagenarian eyes so I do believe that two plotters will probably be needed.....master / slave would be Ideal and cost saving, but I did look at the Seaview swivel base from Defender and that might work too. All of your input has been helpful, THANKS, one and all.  |
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Post by dbostrom on Dec 19, 2014 5:06:09 GMT
Pabeye, do note that the mount at Defender is only a concept illustration compared to the one I actually used. In particular the knob on the Seaview strikes me as too small; in actual use you'll find yourself unlocking and locking the thing fairly frequently so a small knob is going to translate to sore. Ah, here we go. The mount on the Australian boat was a Scanstrut, an entire pod. You can see in the photo that there's a lever at the base of the mount. Flipping that down loosens the mount, flipping it back up locks it (black loop is a binoculars strap). A really sweet design. www.scanstrut.com/products/product-page.php?range_id=10033&type=Scanpods |
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Post by ianpowolny on Dec 19, 2014 10:19:36 GMT
We have the same arrangement as Tafika II and have the same and advantages / difficulties but have sailed so many miles like this it's only a problem in heavier weather. It would be nice to have E120 on a swivel base but not essential. We've come across a few 'interesting' problems this year and having the plotter tucked under the table kept it well out of harms way!!!
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Post by dbostrom on Dec 19, 2014 17:29:08 GMT
...having the plotter tucked under the table kept it well out of harms way!!!
That's a definite consideration.
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Post by hoppy on Dec 19, 2014 18:35:37 GMT
master / slave would be Ideal and cost saving I'm not sure if there is any cost savings, at least for Raymarine. I'm under the impression that you still need to buy the charts for both units(I hope I am wrong as oneday I want a MFD at the nav table). In addition, to connect to MFD's you need the Seatalk HS network switch. |
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Post by jdl01 on Dec 19, 2014 19:49:09 GMT
Hello Pabeye,
We have an 8" simrad plotter in a swivel table top mount at the aft end of our table on a 379. This was a factory installation. We installed a s/s guard/handgrab surrounding the unit which we feel is critical to insuring its survival as well as a much needed grab point between the 2 helms in a strong wind tack. Screen visibility is good and swivel adjustment is easy and nothing has been damaged in 3 years.
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Post by abgreenbank on Dec 19, 2014 20:39:35 GMT
I have just fitted a raymarine a75 touchscreen mfd at stbd helm if you use sea talk ng cable and raynet cable from mfd to mfd you only need one sd card, the sea talk ng does all i70 , ais etc and the raynet does the chart plotter map info. Also have a e95 at nav station.
for the port helm I use iPad and ray marine wifi network.
a75 very reasonable priced from getfeetwet in USA ($799).
when deciding how to locate MFD I found one at cockpit table was too far away with my ageing eyesight, and multiple smaller screens cheaper than a single 12 inch.
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Pabeye
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Post by Pabeye on Dec 20, 2014 17:05:29 GMT
Thank you one and all for your input. I am looking at two possible boats........one, a 39i has a C80 and the other a 42i a C120 both mounted low on the chart table. I figure if I buy either one I'll have to take abgreenbank's advice. Thank you one and all for your thoughts and input. Happy Holidays one and all.
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Post by ianpowolny on Dec 21, 2014 18:48:17 GMT
Is anyone here using their mfd to view Navtex? We have an E90 at the chart table and an E120 between the helms and I'm thinking of adding the Raymarine Navtex engine but unsure of how good this will be on the E90. I use 2.5 reading correction so need glasses for both E's!!!
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Post by dbostrom on Dec 21, 2014 21:13:05 GMT
I have to think it's been corrected in later models but on the c series MFDs there was a conflict w/regard to simultaneous connection of AIS and Navtex, to the point that later software revisions made configuration mutually exclusive.
Here in the PNW, Navtex fulfills the function of a kind of advanced barometer; quick access to the bigger picture but without the local detail of VHF marine weather forecasts. From that perspective, having a dedicated Navtex display is kind of nice; no need to fire up the plotter or page through menus (power consumption of Navtex receiver and LCD display is miniscule compared to plotter). Fancy "barometer" ready to view.
Another option is to use the NASA naked engine w/a Bluetooth converter, view Navtex on your favorite "device" anywhere on the boat.
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Post by svsecco on Dec 23, 2014 19:10:57 GMT
I used the NavSlide QuickMount on our Jeanneau 45DS. The mount is a nice piece of kit and very sturdy. I was originally considering an e7 or e9 at each helm but the display manual warns about mounting the unit too close to a compass.   |
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Post by simonthepom on Dec 24, 2014 1:55:19 GMT
That's a nice setup Secco. I currently have this pod mounted on the end of the table. I've just bought a new Raymarine e95 to replace the old C70 (plus a c127 for the nav table, getting expensive...) But I like the fact it's adjustable for each helm and quite sturdy.  |
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Post by Pabeye on Feb 18, 2015 21:55:05 GMT
WOW, that is a BEAUTIFUL install for the GPS........I hope you believe that imitation is the most sincere of flattery! GOOD NEWS.........( I think anyway).....The 42I in Rhode Island is "officially" ours. She is snowed in in Rhode Island, but hopefully headed to Long Island in early Mat. Thanks one and all for your advice. I'm sure you will be hearing more from me on the forum as 10,000m questions arise! |
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Post by Xlnt on Feb 19, 2015 13:21:00 GMT
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Post by zofiasailing on Feb 20, 2015 22:09:15 GMT
Pabeye We have a 42SODS , 2006 build and initially shifted the chartplotter from the traditional and 'delivered' location at the chart table below, to the mounts under the cockpit table. We didn't like having to crouch down to look at it any more than going below to check it out! We then had a stainless steel mount constructed so that it sits in full view at the starboard helm. We are extremely happy with the arrangement and get the best value out of the device..... Our version of a 'God pod'. It is also out of the way and leaves the cockpit uncluttered. SV Zofia  |
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Post by zofiasailing on Feb 20, 2015 22:10:54 GMT
And now the back  |
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Pabeye
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Post by Pabeye on Feb 22, 2015 0:05:15 GMT
NICE job zofiasailing........Thanks
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Post by singoviv on Feb 22, 2015 2:45:19 GMT
I have just taken delivery of a 2015 SO349. I optioned up with the wi-fi router option. Now I can broadcast data from the B&G Nav systems to iPhones or iPads via the B&G GoFree app. No extra $$ for screens and I can place them anywhere !  |
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Post by singoviv on Feb 22, 2015 2:46:04 GMT
The above screen shot was from my iPhone yesterday
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Post by zofiasailing on Feb 23, 2015 2:12:26 GMT
Singoviv
Good point, the technology is changing so fast and there are many inexpensive and smart options these days. Hooray for that too because all this technology makes sailing generally and cruising in particular, accessible for numpties like ourselves with basic navigational skills!
We have wi-fi also (albeit something we added a couple of years ago - our boat is a 2006 build) and via a multiplexer have all the sea-talk feed to an iPad. Great back-up and great for crew to be able to see/check up on stuff while elsewhere often bellow deck. We actually use the iPad for passage planning and to transfer waypoints via the wi-fi to the Raymarine chartplotter. Our hand held devices are strictly a back-up though.
Are you a racer?
We are short handed cruisers and being fully aware of shallows and obstacles when anchoring or traversing 'exciting' waters, hands free, right in front of the helm and never worrying that the device powers down or gets wet or washed overboard is great comfort.
BTW touch screens with wet and cold hands or gloves will give you a few heart attacks if that's all you have even when in a wetcase. Friends even with the touch screen version of the heavy duty gear (raymarine, simrad etc) report that a wet screen which might need a wipe down (think salt, condensation or grease), suddenly go to mush. Worthy of contemplation.
Solutions are plenty and redundancy and robustness are the name of the game for us.
Cheers
SV Zofia
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