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Post by hoppy on Jul 8, 2015 16:12:41 GMT
Having the kids onboard for the rest of the month leaves me absolutely no time for personal pleasures such as fiddling around and investigating whether ' to be plugged or to be unplugged ' No , but as I said , it's intriguing and would be intresting to find out . I have no kids on board, but would not consider inserting a temperature probe in any hole a personal pleasure I can imagine that having kids onboard could cause a lot of excess moisture entering the fridge, so maybe you will have something worth draining out
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Post by sailbleu on Jul 8, 2015 16:22:02 GMT
Hoppy , you have no idea how much those kids make me sweat. Next to the tremendous heat here on Gozo that is. But I do love those angels so immensely , science will have to wait for matters of the heart .
Regards
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Post by iancymru on Jul 8, 2015 16:23:59 GMT
Well done Hoppy on keeping the thread on track , and without derailing this and another thread, this topic and the thread 'Keel Problem on my SO37' make interesting reading when read together.
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Post by hoppy on Jul 8, 2015 16:43:11 GMT
Hoppy , you have no idea how much those kids make me sweat. Next to the tremendous heat here on Gozo that is. But I do love those angels so immensely , science will have to wait for matters of the heart . Regards The thought of kids make me sweat. A few years after we broke up, my ex admitted that late in the relationship when it was doomed she would bring up the "kids" topic just to see me sweat. It took her another 9 years before she started popping them out and now I can quite happily talk about kids with her because they are NMP Her oldest is called Lova which is the Swedish word for sailing close hauled (as well as promise) Now what was this thread about?
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Post by sailbleu on Jul 9, 2015 6:04:28 GMT
Hoppy , you have no idea how much those kids make me sweat. Next to the tremendous heat here on Gozo that is. But I do love those angels so immensely , science will have to wait for matters of the heart . Regards The thought of kids make me sweat. A few years after we broke up, my ex admitted that late in the relationship when it was doomed she would bring up the "kids" topic just to see me sweat. It took her another 9 years before she started popping them out and now I can quite happily talk about kids with her because they are NMP Her oldest is called Lova which is the Swedish word for sailing close hauled (as well as promise) Now what was this thread about? The same question popted up in my head just after reading iancymru's last remark. I had to go to page one to find out. Realising I'm an accomplice in hijacking this topic I apologize to the TS . Back to smelly matters. Regards
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Post by vasko on Jul 9, 2015 21:53:12 GMT
On the Kids/Wife topic they area s you train them attached is my little one (3 years 5 months ) and my wife ( 38 years old - me 45) antifouling the boat juts two days ago and having fun too instead paying 1000's and having the job done rubbish - we paid 352 EUR total - for lift-out + lift-in 3 days of storage and done the job of cleaning and antifouling and changing propeller ourselves - with £60 spent on Hempel anifouiling. - total cost ~450 EUR and great fun it is all about how you will set the expectations - they can be fun or nightmare - I've learned it on the hard way... here in France ( St Cyprien) seems it is usual everything to be done by yourself and the yard helps you with everything they can and feels very friendly - compare with Spain/Alicante where the yard was a nightmare to work with... we love St Cyprien so far - greats ailing area around the French/Spanish Pyrenees and Roses Attachment Deleted
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Post by 5124woodje on Jul 11, 2015 13:48:04 GMT
Thanks for the replies... I never knew that much about refrigerators ... Ha
i did check the fridge drain hose ... Not it
although I did find beneath the ribs, below the flooring was a significant amount of water that wasn't reaching the bilge wet vacuumed as much as I could with a small hose... Noticed aLOT of mold from stagnant water
been airing out the boat as much as possible. ... Any mold killer out there you would recommend I belive this is the source of my issue
thanks
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amadeus
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Back creek Maryland
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Post by amadeus on Jul 11, 2015 14:18:38 GMT
We just recently purchased a 1978 Gin Fizz. Unfortunately the boat sat on the hard for five years as near as we can tell. From the internal damage found we also have to assume that the companion way into the rear stateroom was left open enough for some water intrusion as the entire bulkhead (plywood under the companion way) is delaminated and needs to be replaced. There appeared to be some fuel or oil present that of course floated on top of the water in the bilge and soaked into the bottom of the wood work in the salon. This has left us with a lingering odor of diesel and mold, added to the plastic smell others have noted.
The fiberglass covering the plywood subfloor in the head area completely failed at some point and water intrusion delaminated then rotted the underlying plywood. This added its own not so subtle tone to the miasma that greets our nose upon opening the boat. Water was still in the drain pipe running to the main bilge collection area as well as collected forward of the hull stringer supporting the bulkhead between the head and salon. All of this detritus has been removed as a matter of course and the surrounding areas scrubbed, simple green, bleach and elbow grease. I am working to fill the void areas under the decking with expanding foam and then cover that with an impermeable coating to halt that issue of ever recurring, at least in the shower area. I also added an additional shower collection sump with pump to collect the shower and sink grey water and pump that back to the main bilge drain line for disposal overboard. There does not appear to be a limber hole in the stringer between the V berth and the head area, so will just have to monitor that particular area for any water retention.
The previous owner had replaced the head, holding tank, lines and macerator we think at some point in the past, unfortunately the male side of the PO's has passed and the female side is unwilling to speak to us about the boat so all we have are the log books. But it sat for those five years with the holding tank about half full. As we were planning on changing to a composting head we expected to remove the entire assembly anyway. So we just did it sooner. While mentally gross and disgusting, as anything to do with fixing the black water system tends to be, we were able to get it all out of the boat with minimal drama. Bleach, simple green and a good scrub brush seems to have brightened that area considerably. Oh and lots of rubber gloves. I should have purchased stock in the nitrile glove manufacturing sector prior to starting this project.
The bilge area in the salon itself was mainly dry on inspection, but had a nice black brown layer of dried crud, yes more simple green. Also found that the drainage plan for the bilge area pretty much ensured that any water that collected in the bilge would remain there as the only way to get to the single bilge pump required that water fill the bilge completely and overtop the stringers until finally flooding the square void directly under the front end of the engine that contains the only pump. This would leave a nice four to five inches of water that had no way of getting to the pump. With the application of a garden hose we found the lowest point on the boat, well theoretically, and I'm working on adding an additional bilge pump.
Frequent airings and application of my sovereign cure for all things smelly, simple green, bleach and elbow grease, seem to be making inroads into the funk. Having served for many years at sea I do know that all boats, from small tenders to giant aircraft carriers have a certain funk specific to each boat and that usually you stop noticing it soon after boarding. However, I really wish visitors to my boat not have their nasal passages violently assaulted on entry.
I am am looking for something I can put on the bottom of all the joinery in the boat to try to drive the mold out, or at least kill it off. I am really hoping that I don't have to remove and replace all the wood work. Simply to expensive.
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Post by no3l on Jul 27, 2015 9:29:31 GMT
Hi All, Baking soda or bicarbonate of soda is frequently used as an odour neutraliser, try googling "odor neutraliser baking soda" for some ideas. Regards Noel
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Post by sycankiz on Nov 15, 2015 3:41:59 GMT
We had an odor problem in our SO35. Had a sulphuric scent, similar to that of thermal baths (if you have been to one) or visited any volcano craters. It is easily confused with the smell of s**t so we naturally tackled the heads, holding tank and pipes and the bilge. Eventually we found that we had battery acid leak
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Post by alenka on Nov 15, 2015 9:58:46 GMT
This year, just before the winter lift out, we moved off the boat and into a hotel. Working on the boat without living on it was so much easier and we got to do lots of jobs that would have otherwise been rather messy and tricky.
One such job was to lift up every bit of flooring (including those bits screwed down in the factory) and scrub the bilges.
Under the forward bunk we found a whole load of grubby salt crystals where sea water had once been and long since evaporated.
Under the forward cabin sole was grime mixed in with sawdust from the original build - clearly Jeanneau don't effectively vacuum clean their boats at fit out. Lint and fluff from bedding and soft furnishing was in abundance in cracks and joints. All of which will hang onto mould spores and smells.
The biggest shock of all was that we found one compartment that had no natural drain down to the bilge pump and it was full of trapped water - about 8 litres in total.
We are a 43DS but I suspect many other models will have similar problems.
With regards to the fridge, about a year ago we had an expert on board to take a look at our installation. They noted that the way the pump and fan installation was fitted would only circulate air around the cupboard rather than act as an efficient heat exchanger. The thermostat sensor was fitted at the top of the cooling plate, not at the bottom where apparently it should be located. I was also told that the plate is designed to run frosted up and there is no need to clean it off. Since fitting solar panels and running our fridge 24/7 we do indeed acquire a good layer of frost on the plate but also found we had to turn down the setting because it was running far colder and more efficiently.
From a point of view of hygiene we regularly drain water off from the bottom of the fridge but otherwise leave the plugs in place to keep all that hard won cold air in place rather than chilling the bilges.
If you have checked all these areas on your boat and the smell remains then try removing some ceiling panels to check for condensation and mould in this otherwise hidden space.
One yard worker told me he swore by a cleaning product called BilgeX but I have never seen it to buy myself.
Good Luck!
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Post by alenka on Nov 15, 2015 10:23:12 GMT
Perhaps we should also add that the single worst source of odour on our boat is the forward heads which is generally only used by infrequent visitors.
Despite having a new bowl and pipework fitted if unused for a few days there is a very definite sulphur pong. The easy solution is to pump through water at least once a day.
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keithk
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Post by keithk on Nov 15, 2015 16:44:16 GMT
Have you thought about batteries overcharging? A faulty charger or battery can cause smells ranging from slightly acidic to a blocked toilet! Feel all the batteries to see if they are warm. They should be room temp. My 44 DS suffered from this, thought it was the toilet for some time and only found the problem when it got really bad. Had to change the batteries, one had an internal short.
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Post by sleighride on Nov 15, 2015 18:22:51 GMT
This year, just before the winter lift out, we moved off the boat and into a hotel. Working on the boat without living on it was so much easier and we got to do lots of jobs that would have otherwise been rather messy and tricky. One such job was to lift up every bit of flooring (including those bits screwed down in the factory) and scrub the bilges. Under the forward bunk we found a whole load of grubby salt crystals where sea water had once been and long since evaporated. Under the forward cabin sole was grime mixed in with sawdust from the original build - clearly Jeanneau don't effectively vacuum clean their boats at fit out. Lint and fluff from bedding and soft furnishing was in abundance in cracks and joints. All of which will hang onto mould spores and smells. The biggest shock of all was that we found one compartment that had no natural drain down to the bilge pump and it was full of trapped water - about 8 litres in total. We are a 43DS but I suspect many other models will have similar problems. With regards to the fridge, about a year ago we had an expert on board to take a look at our installation. They noted that the way the pump and fan installation was fitted would only circulate air around the cupboard rather than act as an efficient heat exchanger. The thermostat sensor was fitted at the top of the cooling plate, not at the bottom where apparently it should be located. I was also told that the plate is designed to run frosted up and there is no need to clean it off. Since fitting solar panels and running our fridge 24/7 we do indeed acquire a good layer of frost on the plate but also found we had to turn down the setting because it was running far colder and more efficiently. From a point of view of hygiene we regularly drain water off from the bottom of the fridge but otherwise leave the plugs in place to keep all that hard won cold air in place rather than chilling the bilges. If you have checked all these areas on your boat and the smell remains then try removing some ceiling panels to check for condensation and mould in this otherwise hidden space. One yard worker told me he swore by a cleaning product called BilgeX but I have never seen it to buy myself. Good Luck!
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Post by sleighride on Nov 15, 2015 18:23:26 GMT
We also have a 43 DS. Where was the sealed compartment located with the trapped water?
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Post by alenka on Nov 16, 2015 20:48:46 GMT
Hi Sleighride,
I have tried to upload a photo showing the exact area but it keeps being rejected by the site despite being well under the 1mb limit.
The compartment is under the cabin sole in the forward cabin, port side. On our boat there is a small section of floor (screwed down) which has to be removed.
I suspect the source of the water is the combined tap/shower head in the forward loo. Any small leak or spillage runs down the flexi hose and under the sink... Ultimately finding its way into this compartment. Maybe it should have a drain in it like all the others but it hasn't on our boat.
Obviously standing water is very undesirable for all sorts of reasons so its worth checking.
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Post by alenka on Nov 22, 2015 10:27:40 GMT
Back to the original post..
I came across this book title on another forum that was discussing the problems of the Jabsco Lite Flush toilet. I am not sure it has the answers. Looking at the contents page on Amazon it strikes me that the book looks solely at sanitation and loo's but maybe others can advise if it has a wider reach.
Get Rid of Boat Odors-- A Guide to Marine Sanitation Systems & Other Sources of Aggravation and odor
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leecondell
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Country: Australia
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Post by leecondell on Nov 22, 2015 23:22:17 GMT
You mention that you have electric toilets then I suggest that the smell is stagnant salt water. before you leave the yacht after use fill the toilet bowls with fresh water, then presuming that you don't have electric toilets with a 'drain' only function turn off the toilet inlet valve and press the cycle button. This will drain the fresh water through the toilets plumbing without refilling the bowl with salt water and this will eliminate any smell from the toilets.
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Post by dilligaf on Dec 5, 2015 10:54:04 GMT
Does the smell ling long after removing all the mattresses and saloon seats. Try that for a couple of days. Maye the smell coms from those, or possibly the mold growing under the soft cushions.......Just tying to help
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Post by alenka on Dec 19, 2015 12:16:03 GMT
Does your boat have air-conditioning?
I have just had a short stay in a hotel room that had a very distinct metallic like odour. You could almost taste it.
The room had recently just been completely refurbished, no sign of any mould or damp anywhere.
A call to reception had the maintenance people round straight away and they quickly traced it back the the wall mounted AC unit. Which also looked new. This was sealed off and the odour vanished within hours!
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Post by deepblue on Jul 13, 2016 8:53:43 GMT
Our Boat had a very strong polyester smell when new. Delivered in 2009, took untill 2014 to fade. Now in very high temps, when we arrive on a closed boat some of it still lingers. Must be the stuff she is built from. By the way does any one know where I can buy new sanitary hose, the yard installed 2"hose that is impossible to find. 1,5"seems to be the largest size available. Using fuel hose at the moment but is not ideal.
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Post by Tafika II on Jul 13, 2016 16:59:05 GMT
No idea where you are located, but some swimming pool supply houses carry 2"
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Post by deepblue on Jul 13, 2016 17:19:05 GMT
Thanks Tafika, private swimmingpools are not as wide spread here in Holland as in the US. But he, they can send me hose from the US.
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 13, 2016 19:21:14 GMT
Thanks Tafika, private swimmingpools are not as wide spread here in Holland as in the US. But he, they can send me hose from the US. Our yard fitted the holding tank to dump valve with Vetus engine exhaust hose a couple of years ago - so far no smell
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Post by so36idavid on Jul 14, 2016 5:05:15 GMT
Our Boat had a very strong polyester smell when new. Delivered in 2009, took untill 2014 to fade. Now in very high temps, when we arrive on a closed boat some of it still lingers. Must be the stuff she is built from. By the way does any one know where I can buy new sanitary hose, the yard installed 2"hose that is impossible to find. 1,5"seems to be the largest size available. Using fuel hose at the moment but is not ideal. Downwind marine. Painfully expensive stuff but you shouldn't need much.
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