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Post by sailbleu on Oct 26, 2012 4:08:36 GMT
EDITOR: Images from this thread were lost but can be viewed still in this article: www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/amiotgoiotgenoacars.htmlNot sure how this is called , jeanneauparts.com refers it as a sheet slider. Question is , are there any others who have had the same problem as I do. Something went very wrong here . Like the first picture shows , it is impossible to replace the rol . The axis on which the rol is turning is pressed on and cannot be removed without drilling. So once drilled out it is useless. Are those blocks made to be replaced completely when a rol has worn down ? Price for 1 unit is 114 Euro , VAT not included I suppose. Anyone else had the same issue ? Regards
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Post by MartyB on Oct 26, 2012 4:47:33 GMT
www.goiot.com/pdf/p37.pdfIs your sheet carr block/roller one on the link I provided? Like the t32 track setup near the bottom of the pdf? if so, it appears like you can get roller replacements. Amiot became goiot. On the other hand, I heard a rumour that are in BK or some other equal position. Hopefully I am wrong, or someone will buy the stock etc, and continue making new and some of the older parts. This linke will get you to all of the deck gear from Goiot. www.goiot.com/inc/?c=2&p=16If it were me, and I had to buy ALL new parts......I would highly recommend you go to a line control system vs a push/pull pin adjustment for the iib carrs. Marty
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Post by sailbleu on Oct 26, 2012 4:59:57 GMT
Yep Marty , it's the one. I noticed you can even buy a repairkit. Could find the price for it yet. Thanks
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Post by hoppy on Oct 26, 2012 16:02:52 GMT
You got me curious to check out mine for wear as they look the same. However the rollers on mine are metal.
I 2nd & 3rd Marty's suggestion about getting the line control system.. I added the Amiot end block which was a great improvement. It's listed in Marty's Goiot catalog but still has the Amiot "sail" rather than the Goiot bird.
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Post by sailbleu on Oct 27, 2012 6:12:11 GMT
Not sure if I know what you and Marty mean hoppy , could you give me the partnumber of that line controle system. Are you sure it's metal rollers ? SS or what ? I find the wear on my rollers very strange since they were rolling ever so smoothly , it's not that they were stuck or anything.
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Post by hoppy on Oct 27, 2012 6:46:39 GMT
part 93612
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Post by hoppy on Oct 27, 2012 6:53:53 GMT
according to Goiot the rollers are alloy.
I think you will find that under heavy load the rollers stop rolling as there will be a lot of pressure compressing against the bearings. Any movement of the sheet will start to slowly wear into the roller and I guess it will eventually start settling on the spot that has the wear and then it ends up like your roller.
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Post by sailbleu on Oct 27, 2012 7:00:12 GMT
according to Goiot the rollers are alloy. I think you will find that under heavy load the rollers stop rolling as there will be a lot of pressure compressing against the bearings. Any movement of the sheet will start to slowly wear into the roller and I guess it will eventually start settling on the spot that has the wear and then it ends up like your roller. I was just about to edit my last message to make clear that the replacement rollers are made of alloy. You beat me to it I also agree with your explanantion about how the wear sets in. Any idea on the cost of those replacements because I have not found that info yet ? Thanks for the picture , but at this stage I cannot visualize how this system works . By what means do you slide the slider forward or backward ? Would you happened to have more pics of that system , I would be gratefull for that. Regards
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Post by sailbleu on Oct 27, 2012 7:42:24 GMT
Ok , I was able to find some prices . However , I think it's a 2009 pricelist for Goiot spare parts. It seems I was completely wrong with my first price setting on the complete slider , where I mentioned 114 Euro for the partnumber 93614 it should be 370 $ ,...in 2009 (if I read correctly) That is for a slider with alloy sheave. A replacement alloy sheave is 131 $ , for one unit of course. Old prices without tax and/or shipment that is. www.docstoc.com/docs/33422178/Goiot-Prices-Current-09Oh boy , I think I will retreat into my garage today and pull a DIY trick. More to come later on Regards
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Post by hoppy on Oct 27, 2012 11:14:25 GMT
It just pulls it forward. When you what the slider to come back as long as you release the line connected to the slider before you sheet in it will come back. Last year I made many visits to the genoa track to move it forward in heavy winds. This year I stayed in the cockpit and was happy about it. I don't remember what I paid for the turning block but regardless it was money well spent ;D
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Post by hoppy on Oct 27, 2012 11:28:21 GMT
I found the allow sheave replacement 93615 priced for Sweden on the Plastimo site for €73 including our lovely 25% vat. Try contacting you local boat shop for pricing. It might not be so bad
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Post by sailbleu on Oct 28, 2012 5:04:28 GMT
Hi Hoppy , yesterday I've spent some time in my own Disneyworld - being my garage that is - having fun and keeping some money in my pocket. I decided to make the sheaves myself and after making the plastic ones I came up with the idea of also fabricating an alu copy . All was done in less than a day. I'll give you guys the full story and if Malcolm thinks it's valuable enough for the hint and tips section his free to use it of course. EDITOR: Images from this thread were lost but can be viewed still in this article: www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/amiotgoiotgenoacars.htmlThe worn sheave of the sheet slider , result of 6 years intensive sailing. Goiot/Amiot should never of sold/sell them in plastic , but apparently they did. I had some plastic rod lying around here that would surely do the trick. Once cut to the proper lenght I could shape the cone on my lathe. Working my way from the edges up to the center. Piece of cake. Turning the bolt on the left into a sheave axis on the right also required the cooperation of my lathe. And maybe in this part some readers may have second thoughts about using a bolt as an axis . Perhaps the thread will wear out the inside of the sheave , I guess I'll have to see what happens after a while and eventually change the idea. I didn't have any bolts with parcial thread , but when I start noticing too much play I'll get to a shop and buy a few suitable 12mm bolts. I prefer using a screwed system instead of a fixed pressed on axis so things stay replaceable . Same here , left needs to become right . As you might of noticed , along the way I decided -as an experiment - to also make a alu sheave with some leftover alu rod . So one slider is equipted with a plastic sheave , the other with an alloy one. Time will tell. This is how it looks fully mounted. ] Some angle pictures ...... This is the port side with the alloy sheave , I took care to place the nut side towards the windows because it is sticking out a bit which is not a good idea in a passage way on a boat. Starboard in plastic. Voilà , I saved about 200 Euro shipment included , but what is more important , I had a great time in my garden of eden yesterday. Some people make crossword puzzles to keep their synapses and neurons busy , I like to make things. Keeps us young ,... just in spirit that is Kind regards
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Post by hoppy on Oct 28, 2012 6:40:44 GMT
That's cool that you have the tools, knowledge and a place to do that.
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Post by MartyB on Oct 28, 2012 15:56:59 GMT
I agree with Hoppy, at least you have the tools to do this. I would have been buying a new setup.......come to think of it, I did just that HERE!To ea his own as they say! Marty
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 28, 2012 21:14:23 GMT
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Post by deandavis1 on Oct 29, 2012 10:26:36 GMT
excellent work. thanks for sharing it with us. I would suggest those (like me) without the tools could get this done at a reasonable price by a local workshop.
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Post by aussieodyssey on Nov 10, 2012 14:09:48 GMT
I will have to check mine next weekend . Nice photos.
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Post by sailbleu on Nov 10, 2012 14:40:28 GMT
Thanks Dean and Aussie ,
have to admit though , the original article isn't up to date anymore , meanwhile both sides are equipted with an alu sheave. I thought, .... if I can make one , why not make two. Now I have two plastic spares.
Regards
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Post by alex1970 on Feb 28, 2016 9:08:30 GMT
Does anyone know how to change the 2 side rollers of the sheet car. They seems to have the same problem as the big roller but I cannot figure out how to remove them. They seem to be cast in place...
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Post by Tafika II on Feb 29, 2016 16:36:43 GMT
We replaced both port & starboard with Garhaurer E-Z Glide 3 with Swivel Jams as the original Harken plastic rollers had worn through twice.
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