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Post by MartyB on Sept 13, 2011 15:12:10 GMT
David,
My 155 and 110 are not quite deck sweepers, but within 6" or so. The 140 I have the clew is at the guard rail height for reasons you mentioned. I also usually use the 155 and drop to the 110, so the 140 is my cruise/daysail sail. This is not to say we have not used in a race! Along with my boat is small enough, with usually 6 on board, hoisting and rehoisting with a track is not too hard. In the end, I probably do as you do, hoist a wet finner in the air, lets see, blowing about Y so lets start with the 110, or 155 or 130 drifter........then change out if need be.
I think the drifter has been mentioned, but if not, great sails for those less than 5 knot days one needs to go forward. Mine is 3 oz spin cloth.
I also have 2 upper batterns, a heavy one, lighter and sometimes NO batten if the winds are light enough.
Marty
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Post by flightdeck on Nov 1, 2012 0:30:45 GMT
Long time no news, so here is some. Re the sock 12+months and I still love it. GPL sails, well SWMBO gave the ok for a new main and yes went for a GPL and 4 weeks in I LOVE it, cant get over it made that much a change to helm specially in heavy weather. Did a local race started in 20knots full main, build to 25-30knots put 1 reef in and furled up say a 1 meter of headsail, with almost 1/2 the race on the nose yes we should have gone for 2nd reef as well...damm that red mist. Not the weather I wanted to take a new main out in, but it was the sail I wanted up in those conditions and even finishing 8th from 17 starters, with 47 footers only giving us 5min Damm happy with sails ;D Cheers
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Post by davideso37 on Nov 1, 2012 13:16:08 GMT
Flightdeck, Glad you are happy with your new main. I have been considering options for a new main and have taken a lot of video footage of the sails in the meantime. I found to my surprise that the draft had move aft in the DP Flex laminate in our 135% no 2 genoa and with the weight of the taffeta in the leech we were having to pull the spectra leech line very tight to prevent it flogging and that made the leech hook to windward. We solved the shape problem by converting it to a tape drive with carbon tapes. The reduction in stretch with the carbon was amazing. A flogging sail is the death of an aramide laminate so that gave me reason to be cautious with the mainsail. The GPL is nice for racing but once loaded up with taffeta is not much lighter than a dacron main. For longest life in a mainsail the sail should have full length battens which help to reduce the sail flogging. We have had six years out of our fully battened cross cut dacron 8.4 oz and the sail would go another six but it was modified to fit our taller mast and is a couple of metres short of full size. I have all but decided on a new radial cut main with DP square dacron full battened with lighter weight on the front for an average weight of 7.3 oz. It will have three reef point with the tallest a 40% reduction in the luff. The decision is not on price because with the cloth wastage and extra labour it will be pretty much the same cost as a laminate. The real decider was durability as I have seen too many laminate mains ripped from mast to leech. The old mainsail has cost $10 per race if you amortise the initial cost over the number or races it has done. The new one will be about the same. For the big light genoas I would not go past the load path sails on a laminate with no taffeta so it is as light and as possible however for the smaller heavy air genoas I am having second thoughts but as what I have now with the Flex 16A loaded up with carbon tapes I think it will be many years before the thoughts have to be put into practice. Yes there are as many opinions on sails as there are sailors. Regards David
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Post by krawall on Jan 21, 2013 6:08:42 GMT
Hi all,
I do realize that this is an old thread, but still want to contribute.
I had ordered a new suite of racing sails for our boat a 36i as well (performance version)
We went with 3DL for main and 3DI for genoa, many people thought I was stupid - the cost was very high. However, the difference was dramatically. I used the stock sails before, and we easily went a knot faster in light winds and half a knot faster in strong winds (plus being able to carry full sails much longer despite the fact that they were bigger).
It really only makes sense for racing though the difference was dramatic. We had the main with a luff rope so it was more efficient than using cars or sliders, but then you can't use a lazy bag anymore - for racing, it's worth it.
Also, we realized, due to shrinkage or not, our stock sails were quite a bit smaller than we were rated for, so our m2 size went up but rating was unaffected.
Just my $0.2
Cheers,
Tom
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Post by davideso37 on Feb 4, 2013 10:39:19 GMT
Tom, Glad you are happy with your choice. A big benefit of the laminates is the weight saving if they do not have taffeta added. I have just fitted a new tri radial dacron mainsail which suits my "leave it on the mast for cruising and racing" preference but I would always opt for a laminate for the headsail. The dacron main is around 9kg heavier than a laminate and that is about half a person on the rail for racing. We have seen quite a few keen sailors opt for tri radial dacron mainsails in the past months. The J70's because class rules prohibit laminates, trailer sailors because the additional weight is minimal and the life longer and cruising racing types like myself who want the convenience. I would not like to have to take my fully battened main off every week after sailing so full marks to you for you energy and enthusiasm. Regards David
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Post by meerkat on Nov 3, 2018 21:57:19 GMT
Hi all I'm looking to get a new cruising no2 for our recently acquired 36i - the one with the boat isn't a good fit so can anyone help me out with dimensions for for around 130%, and any recommendations for sail loft? Many thanks! Tom, Glad you are happy with your choice. A big benefit of the laminates is the weight saving if they do not have taffeta added. I have just fitted a new tri radial dacron mainsail which suits my "leave it on the mast for cruising and racing" preference but I would always opt for a laminate for the headsail. The dacron main is around 9kg heavier than a laminate and that is about half a person on the rail for racing. We have seen quite a few keen sailors opt for tri radial dacron mainsails in the past months. The J70's because class rules prohibit laminates, trailer sailors because the additional weight is minimal and the life longer and cruising racing types like myself who want the convenience. I would not like to have to take my fully battened main off every week after sailing so full marks to you for you energy and enthusiasm. Regards David
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Post by so36idavid on Nov 4, 2018 4:44:37 GMT
Meerkat,
Congratulations on getting the boat. According to the owner's manual the specs for the sail are as follows. Honestly I wouldn't trust this, it's worth getting a sailmaker to come and measure your boat. I......................................... 13,75 m/45’1" J.......................................... 4,02 m/13’2"
As for recommendations of a sail loft that depends entirely on where you are. I suggest talking to your neighbors who own similar boats and find a local loft that has great service. There may be someone on this board who is from your neighborhood so you might want to let us know where your boat is. In all likelihood your sail will be made halfway around the world, so what distinguishes the best sails is the experience of the person who designs and supports your sail. Ask around.
David
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