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Post by rxc on May 2, 2010 19:39:26 GMT
Just a note and advice for anyone who has had problems with a Quick chain counter that stopped counting chain.
This started happening to me about 2 years ago, somewhere on the east coast of the US, when I noticed a metallic grinding sound (ouch!) coming from my Lofrans windlass when it ran. It was intermittant, and sounded like something was trapped under the chainwheel, and it eventually went away, but when it did, the chain counter stopped working, and it was clear to me that I had lost the magnet for the counter.
For those who don't know, many chain counters use a magnet mounted on the chainwheel to close a contact mounted on the base of the windlass, and the chain counter electronics uses this to figure out how much chain is in/out.
I dismantalled the capstan and chainwheel and verified that there was a slight depression in the bottom of the chainwheel, and concluded that the magnet has somehow been dislodged/come unstuck, and was now somewhere on my chain or in my anchor locker, and was therefore, effectively lost forever.
The next step was to find a replacement magnet. I did web searches all over the place, and could not find a replacement part from Quick. I tried some magnets from a craft store, but they didn't trip the counter, so I was stuck looking for an official replacement part. Eventually, in 2008, just before I left the US, I got in touch with a Quick rep in Md, who said that they did not sell magnets, only sensor kits, and that they were "available" form dealers. He could not provide any names of "available dealers". I searched the web for a while, and gave up, because it was time to come to France, where I was SURE I would find the part (Quick is Italian). For nearly 2 years I have asked around here, and no one has the part available. Finally, I found a kit available, BACK IN THE US, from Imtra Marine. It was not on their web site, but I found a Google cached reference to it: Kit number KCS. A call to Imtra confirmed that it was available, and after spending $30 for the part and shipping here to France, I had the magnet. It is about 1/4 inch thick, and 5/16 inch in diameter. With these dimensions, I found that I could buy one with similar characteristics from Allelectronics for less than $1 (an important piece of info).
Now, on to the boat. We are sitting in our marina, waiting for delivery of a replacement Volvo shaftseal and the haulout to replace it (subject of ANOTHER posting to come), so we are doing chores and projects, and I decided to replace the magnet. Took off the capstan and chainwheel, and started to sand down the slight depression, and got nothing but rust, for quite a while. Shifted to a small pick-like tool, and managed to excavate a hole about 1/4 inch deep in the bottom of the bronze chainwheel that was filled with RUST. Evidently, the old magnet had just turned to rust as it sat in the hole, and the grinding I heard was a bit that fell off and got caught between the chainwheel and the base.
It looks like the original installer had not heeded the advice from Quick to use a 2-part epoxy on the magnet, but had just used a dab of 5200-type caulk, which left one end of the IRON magnet exposed to the elements. So, it rusted, and eventually disappeared.
So, if any of you are having any problems with your Quick chain counters, first check the condition of your magnet, and if it is not nice and shiny, you are due for a replacement. Buy the kit KCS from Imtra, or just order a few replacements from Allelectronics, and don't forget the epoxy barrier coat.
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Post by barryratner on Dec 4, 2012 12:45:09 GMT
My chain counter on my MF695 has started to say sensor not found and will only uplift 1m at a time. It will be the same problem. This is very poor from Jeanneau and the manual supplied with the Quick equipment is rubbish. Perhaps it is time for Quick to get their act together and Jeanneau to fit this equipment properly
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Post by sailbleu on Dec 5, 2012 8:34:00 GMT
rxc , if you want some info on how to replace a volvo seal check the hint and tips section " cutless bearing multitool " . In fact it's a piece of cake and to be honest , I wouldn't do a haulout just for that. Cant help you on the counter though but I would like to install one myself.
Regards
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Post by rxc on Dec 5, 2012 16:34:07 GMT
Sailbleu,
I don't need to replace the volvo seal at this time, because my original posting was in 2010, and I have done it already. But, that one was done under some time pressure, so the next time I need to replace it, I will use a PYI shaftseal instead of the volvo one.
Oh, and when I replaced the volvo, I also replaced my aft head holding tank thru-hull, which had gotten a bit too hard to turn. The marina was not able to figure out how to replace the one for the fwd tank, so we exercise it when we remember it, and pray that we will never need it. The fwd head belongs to the cats, and they don't use the toilet...
That multi-tool is quite cool! I wish I had the machinery to make one, but SWMBO won't even let me buy a TIG welder, much less a lathe or a shaper, and then I would have to find a place for it. <g> The people who do the work in our marina are pretty good, and I like to give them work to do.
Also, re-mounting the windlass is STILL on my to-do list. I now have a backing plate for it, but need a spell of good weather in the spring to take it out. Maybe when I re-bed the fwd pulpit stanchions. When the boat is 3 hrs away, and your source of parts and tools is 4000 miles further, these projects sometimes get stretched out...
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Post by sailbleu on Dec 6, 2012 5:08:34 GMT
Oh shame on me rxc , it is/was supprising and confusing that someone picks up an 2 year old post . Neverless it's not a bad idea , this way we keep the board well-ordered and avoid flooding. Next time I'll check the date of the topic start.
Regards
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Post by rxc on Dec 6, 2012 12:48:09 GMT
Sailbleau,
I had a similar reaction when I saw the title of the posting - I wondered who else had had problems, and then I noticed that someone was responding to my old post. It is good to see that the search function works, and can guide people to read similar experiences.
Now, if anyone has any experience tightening the bolts on the fwd pulpit of a 43DS, I would really like to read about it...
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Post by saltymetals on Feb 6, 2016 22:05:41 GMT
I realise this is an old thread but thought it best to continue instead of doubling up and starting a new one.
I have a Quick CHC 1202M chain counter on my 2004 Jeanneau 43ds but while the backlighting on the buttons will work when pressing the central button i get nothing else. Absolutely ZERO. Screen is blank. anyone have a suggestion?
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Post by sleighride on Feb 6, 2016 23:21:54 GMT
After three years on my DS 43, the chain counter went out. I ordered a new sensor kit from Junneau when I discovered the rusted magnet no longer registered. It was difficult to access the unit behind the windlass engine laying in the forward berth on my back, but I installed both the new magnet and sending unit which had to be spliced into the biat's power source. A tricky process since the two wires from the sender were so small (24 or 26 about the size of a large piece of thread. This worked fine about one season and then my screen in cockpit went blank. I took apart the cover in the forward berth and accessed the windless motor and sensor area to find both of the tiny wires had sheared off, even though the splice had held. Large pounding waves at the Columbia Bar were too much for the tiny wires. I have learned to mark my chain with colored links every 60 feet and to forget the the Quick chain counter.
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Post by alex1949 on Feb 7, 2016 9:06:59 GMT
I have an old Quick chain counter onboard my 2005 40SD and I am very happy with it.I contacted Quick headquarter half a year ago to help\instruct me how to replace the inner battery. They were nice efficient and "Quick" helping me. This unit is very helpful.
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Post by saltymetals on Feb 11, 2016 8:27:17 GMT
Following up on my post 5 days ago two things happened. After being left switched ON for several hours the display on my Quick chain counter came back to life and showed the normal expected display. But counter does not work ( " no sensor" error message ). I emailed Quick and had reply an promptly the next morning. Also sending me a new magnet. So the comments originally posted on this thread 6 yrs ago appear to be in the past. I hv nothing but praise for their customer service.
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Post by dslittle on Feb 28, 2016 17:56:13 GMT
I have an old Quick chain counter onboard my 2005 40SD and I am very happy with it.I contacted Quick headquarter half a year ago to help\instruct me how to replace the inner battery. They were nice efficient and "Quick" helping me. This unit is very helpful. My chain counter is telling me that the battery is low. Do you still have the details of how to replace it and, if so, could you post them please. Cheers
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Post by alex1949 on Feb 29, 2016 6:46:56 GMT
I have an old Quick chain counter onboard my 2005 40SD and I am very happy with it.I contacted Quick headquarter half a year ago to help\instruct me how to replace the inner battery. They were nice efficient and "Quick" helping me. This unit is very helpful. My chain counter is telling me that the battery is low. Do you still have the details of how to replace it and, if so, could you post them please. Cheers Hi all, Here is my whole contact with Quick people regarding inner battery replacement : Dear Mr. Danciger,
the replacement of the battery on our CHC 1202 is quite easy, hence I’m sure you’ll be able to make it on your own. However, here below I’ll try to make a step by step description of the whole operation. Kindly detach the two pieces of the case of the instrument by applying a pressure on the transparent display of the device. This operation might be facilitated by applying a slight pressure on the notches on the back of the unit. Now unscrew the 8 little screws on the back of the instrument. Once this is done, detach the back of the device from the transparent plastic case, reaching in this way the printed circuit board, on which I kindly ask you to unscrew the two little screws. Once this is done, kindly apply a little pressure on the buttons on the front of the device, detaching in this way the printed circuit board from the transparent plastic case. Following to this, kindly remove the 2032 battery from its older and replace it. Please, pay attention during the reassembling, that the screws on the back of the device aren’t too tightened nor too loosen, as the former case might damage the plastics whilst the latter might allow water to enter the device. Don’t hesitate contacting me for further clarifications.
Kind Regards, Fabrizio Bazzani
Technical Assistance Office
cid:3430473454_959159 Via Piangipane 120/A 48124 Piangipane (RA) - Italy T +39 0544 415061 F +39 0544 415047 www.quickitaly.com
fbazzani@quickitaly.com
Hi folks,
I am from Israel and have your chain counter CH 1202 M mounted on board my jeanneau 40DS.
Recently, the unit gives " Low clock battery" alarm.
I have a replacement 2032 3Volt battery on hand but need instructions to change the battery.
Can you tell me how to do that, I used to maintain all my stuff by myself. Manual tells to use authorized dealer for that, we haven't got one here in Israel. Thanks Alex Danciger
Hi Fabrizio,
Thanks for your kind prompt reply.
I will try to follow your instructions next time I will be on board.
One question: the unit is attached on the surface, to do what you recommended do I have to unscrew the tightening bolts behind the surface, detach it and than do what you asked or do I miss something and no need to uninstall it from the surface ? Thanks Alex
Dear Mr. Danciger,
I confirm, you’ll have to unscrew the tightening bolts and detach the instrument in order to make the described operation.
Kind Regards, Fabrizio Bazzani
Technical Assistance Office
cid:3430473454_959159 Via Piangipane 120/A 48124 Piangipane (RA) - Italy T +39 0544 415061 F +39 0544 415047 www.quickitaly.com
Hi Fabrizio,
I made the change of the battery today. Very easy.
Thanks again for your brief and kind instruction mail.
Thanks
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Post by alex1949 on Mar 1, 2016 6:55:53 GMT
Hi DSLITTLE , Was it helpful ?
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Post by dslittle on Mar 5, 2016 23:14:09 GMT
For various reasons I will not be on my boat for a while so can't say if it worked BUT thanks very much for forwarding such practical help. Thanks very much for sharing.
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Post by psousa on Dec 13, 2017 11:47:05 GMT
Hey guys! Sorry for open this old stuff... I bought a 2009 boat equipped with this chain counter (attached picture). In spite of controls are ok (I can make the chain goes down and up), the display seems to be dead to me. Probably is burnt by the sun because there is no cover protection on it. What do you think? Can it be a power connection issue? Can I buy this LCD display separately (not the module, which seems to be expensive on an quick search), only the LCD display to replace? Thank you! The picture: image hosting
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Post by alex1949 on Dec 13, 2017 17:58:55 GMT
Hi psousa, Best thing to to do is using the detailed corespodence I had with QUICK people ,send them an e'mail asking anything about your system. Any other way will be a non efficiante try and arrow . As I stated, they are very QUICK and good willing.
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Post by psousa on Dec 15, 2017 9:44:32 GMT
Yes, I did that. They were very quick and ask me to send back the module to them so they can check it. They suspect is a display issue. I'll do it in the summer. I don't need a hole during the winter
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acepjb
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Jeanneau Model: 2009 45 DS SO
Yacht Name: Fortune's Favour
Home Port: PCYC
Country: Canada
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Post by acepjb on Aug 28, 2020 18:00:49 GMT
I know this is an old thread however I am hoping someone can help me. I have a 2009 45DS Sun Odyssey and I am the original owner. This boat came with the Quick Chain counter (CHC 1202 M) installed by the factory at the port helm station. Typically the LED only lights up when the engine is running. At some point this season it stopped working (both the LED and the up and down controls) however the wired controller installed in the anchor locker still works. The wiring diagram provided by Quick shows a 4 amp fuse between the battery and the counter unit, however I cannot locate this fuse. Would anyone on this group know where it is typically installed? I also read that there is a small battery installed in the counter unit, if this battery was flat would it lead to the counter failing in the manner I described?
THanks
Paul
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Post by saltymetals on Sept 22, 2020 9:27:03 GMT
I know this is an old thread however I am hoping someone can help me. I have a 2009 45DS Sun Odyssey and I am the original owner. This boat came with the Quick Chain counter (CHC 1202 M) installed by the factory at the port helm station. Typically the LED only lights up when the engine is running. At some point this season it stopped working (both the LED and the up and down controls) however the wired controller installed in the anchor locker still works. The wiring diagram provided by Quick shows a 4 amp fuse between the battery and the counter unit, however I cannot locate this fuse. Would anyone on this group know where it is typically installed? I also read that there is a small battery installed in the counter unit, if this battery was flat would it lead to the counter failing in the manner I described? THanks Paul Paul, I hv a 2004 43ds but the setup sounds identical. I had a few similar problems when i bought the boat in 2016. I found that the magnet for the sensor which is mounted inside a hole drilled in the underside of the gypsy had totally rusted. Just red powder. I contacted Quick direct in Italy and they sent me a new magnet (free). Then after a few months the unit in the cockpit would not come ON. I tracked it down to the little connecters in the back of the unit. Just a matter of cleaning them and squeezing them together slightly to increase their grip on the terminals. That fixed everything and now no trouble for the last 3 years. I have no idea if there is a fuse and if so where it is located. BTW, if the capstan on yr windlass has not been removed for 10 yrs you will find the aluminium-stainless joint will be blocked due to corrosion thus denying access to the underside of the gypsy. I eventually freed it by heating the capstan (thermal coefficient of expansion of Al is greater than SS). Best of luck
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acepjb
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Jeanneau Model: 2009 45 DS SO
Yacht Name: Fortune's Favour
Home Port: PCYC
Country: Canada
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Post by acepjb on Nov 25, 2020 21:35:35 GMT
Thank you for your suggestions. After tracing (it was fun and informative) and testing every connection and relay it turns out the fuse that I believed was intact (visually) was not intact when tested with a multimeter. I won't bore the group with the details but I spent hours in the anchor locker, ripping out the v-berth, blah blah blah, only to find out the fuse was faulty. BTW the fuse was located in the aft starboard cabin near the battery disconnects. Once swapped out all was good!
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