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Post by mgkiwi on Oct 20, 2009 12:21:53 GMT
 Hi, My wife and I have recently purchased our first boat, a Sangria. It's in very good condition but some of the sheets/ropes need replacing. Can someone advise on what's the best size and make I should be going for. I need replacements for the Jib, Genoa and Spinnaker. Many thanks. |
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 20, 2009 21:29:34 GMT
For the halyards, especially the main, go for the best quality you can afford - there is nothing more frustrating than tensioning the luff then finding the halyard has stretched
For the sheets I would go for as large a size that you can, it is much better on the hands especially on the jib sheets
I am sure Marty will be able to give a more technical input
Malcolm
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 20, 2009 21:34:19 GMT
Martyn The boat looks very smart - is that an EU flag I can see on the backstay?  Malcolm |
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Post by mkremedy on Oct 21, 2009 5:10:04 GMT
Martyn, the thicknesses, the lengths and to stretch of the sheets and halyards are all determined by the size of the blocks, the shivs inside the blocks and the length that they have to run. You really need to check the owners manual or with Jeanneau as to what is really required. You also need to check to see if the shivs require a wire rope halyard vs an all rope halyard.
Happy Sailing
MKREMEDY
Marty
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Post by mgkiwi on Oct 21, 2009 13:57:44 GMT
Hi Malcolm & Marty,
Many thanks for your advice, I'll make a note of what you recommend. With regards to the Euro flag, yes it is but not for long. The boat is on Lac Leman as we now live in France but I'll be replacing it for an NZ flag. I'm a kiwi and the wife is a Brit but almost a kiwi convert! As for the sheets, what is the best make I should look out for. Someone has told me that climbing ropes are just as good, is that true?
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Post by MartyB on Oct 21, 2009 19:32:21 GMT
As far as sizing goes, Marty there pointed out issues to worry about. As far as rope/line type.....now your into the what will work vs what WORKS!
Typically most boats come with sa-set or some kind of equal. Being as I am in the US, need to use my dollars, but I am sure euro's will be somewhat equal. Sta-set can be had for about .50 dollars a foot, I use XLS extra which is about a dollar a foot. This will also depend upon the size diam you get too. The staset has off memory here, about 10% stretch at 20% max pull or what er the maufacture uses. Where as the XLS extra I use is 2% stretch at 30%. Sta set will be rated for say 2000 lbs, xlsextra at 3000 lbs for the same diam. If you're cruising/daysailing, the staset is fine, if you race as I do and others, then the staset has too much stretch, you lose your sail shape, have to adjust the sheets/halyards more. In other words, a PITA!
Also, there are some lines that are size for size that are stronger than wire rope! yes its true. Some folks use this for shrouds etc. Stretches less than wire too! hence why they use it. But it cost one heck fo a lot more too. I use a this for my out haul on the main, that we adjust a lot while racing. My reef lines, I use lines strength and stretch in the middle of the staset/xlsextra range.
To say there is a right or wrong is not correct, but there is a cost/correct line for "your" useage. Not sure what brands are availible in europe, but here in North America. New England and Sampson are the two bigger brands. Both have lines equal to others, sta-set is a New England rope term. I believe just lain ol XLS is samspons version of sta-set. As i recall there are some sta-set plus version with less stretch, more strength etc.
I also use smaller diam sheets for my drifter, and spin on light wind days, ie 3/16" IIRC about 3-4 mm? Normally I would use a 3/8" or about 8 or 10 mm in size. This is for my 85 Arcadia, about 3" or a meter longer than your rig.
I looked at the three places I know owners manuals are shown for different Jeanneau's, and could not find one listed for your boat. The only thing I could find was a sales brochure. But them OM's back 15-20 yrs, were not what they are today, and 40 yrs ago, while OM's existed, they were 10 pages vs today being small books in the 30-50 even 100 page range. I had an OM for a 1964 truck, about 20 pages at best, my 2005 chevy truck is over 200 pages!
Good luck and I hope this all helps some
marty.........
yes another one, I think.....ouch......note to self, do NOT think, pulls brain muscle......anyway, there are about 3-5 marty's of some shape or form on here......lord help, bad enough with one marty in a crowd, but 3-5!!!!!
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 22, 2009 21:18:48 GMT
Hi Malcolm & Marty, Many thanks for your advice, I'll make a note of what you recommend. With regards to the Euro flag, yes it is but not for long. The boat is on Lac Leman as we now live in France but I'll be replacing it for an NZ flag. I'm a kiwi and the wife is a Brit but almost a kiwi convert! As for the sheets, what is the best make I should look out for. Someone has told me that climbing ropes are just as good, is that true? I would be VERY careful using climbing ropes - I am no expert but I believe they are designed to have stretch, which is the opposite to what you need for most boat applications You sometimes can get a good discount buy buying a whole reel of a suitable size say 10/12 mm , but has the downside of all ropes being the same colour PS I am a partial Aussie - but tend to keep that quiet ;-) |
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Post by sangria on Mar 6, 2015 10:03:43 GMT
Hi There. Nice boat  I have one too (Sangria) and very happy with it. Question re outboard, how does it perform in reverse? I am thinking of doing one as an auxiliary engine. |
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Post by ianpowolny on Mar 6, 2015 10:33:39 GMT
Hi Malcolm & Marty, Many thanks for your advice, I'll make a note of what you recommend. With regards to the Euro flag, yes it is but not for long. The boat is on Lac Leman as we now live in France but I'll be replacing it for an NZ flag. I'm a kiwi and the wife is a Brit but almost a kiwi convert! As for the sheets, what is the best make I should look out for. Someone has told me that climbing ropes are just as good, is that true? I would be VERY careful using climbing ropes - I am no expert but I believe they are designed to have stretch, which is the opposite to what you need for most boat applications You sometimes can get a good discount buy buying a whole reel of a suitable size say 10/12 mm , but has the downside of all ropes being the same colour PS I am a partial Aussie - but tend to keep that quiet ;-) As an ex-climber the more stretch the better when you need it. I'd stick with yacht ropes and reduce the stretch to a minimum. Nice boat BTW and welcome to the forum. Ian |
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Post by rene460 on Mar 7, 2015 9:39:19 GMT
Hi sangria,
It it seems that you have reopened an old post from 2009, it is good to know that these older threads are still viewed and helping people.
My previous boat was a trailerable and hence outboards and reverse thrust are items that I have some experience with. Are you considering replacing your engine or do you presently sail without one?
Yamaha and Mercury (and possibly others) have three bladed propellers for displacement craft that have special hub designs to allow the exhaust to exit downstream of the prop in both forward and reverse. These designs provide excellent reverse thrust, and you need these or similar systems, not the standard two bladed prop supplied for planing dinghies.
Rene460
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Post by sangria on Mar 16, 2015 15:26:01 GMT
Hi Rene! Thank you very much for your email! I am thinking of adding the outboard for safety reasons just in case my main engine dies and need to take it in the marina. I did not know about the downstream exhaust system! and I will do some research on it to see which motors use such system. Thanks again for your help! Regards, Andrew Hi sangria, It it seems that you have reopened an old post from 2009, it is good to know that these older threads are still viewed and helping people. My previous boat was a trailerable and hence outboards and reverse thrust are items that I have some experience with. Are you considering replacing your engine or do you presently sail without one? Yamaha and Mercury (and possibly others) have three bladed propellers for displacement craft that have special hub designs to allow the exhaust to exit downstream of the prop in both forward and reverse. These designs provide excellent reverse thrust, and you need these or similar systems, not the standard two bladed prop supplied for planing dinghies. Rene460 |
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Post by ianpowolny on Mar 16, 2015 17:22:51 GMT
Sangria, I just bought 29mts of 10mm braid on braid for £29 delivered from Marine Scene. This was a reel end deal. Not sure what the postage to France would be but check out Marine Scene and then Parcels2Go. They also had 8mm.
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I have one too (Sangria) and very happy with it. Question re outboard, how does it perform in reverse? I am thinking of doing one as an auxiliary engine. 
