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Post by tedp on Jul 11, 2011 22:20:55 GMT
During June, 2011, we sailed our SO32 from the Netherlands to England and back. We had a lot of bad weather and high winds up to a force 8 and 9, with a steady stream of depressions coming in from the Atlantic. We were weatherbound several times as a consequence - sailing in gale force winds is no joke and I'd rather keep my boat in good shape. Despite all, we had an unforgettable holiday trip, coast-hopping along the Belgian and French coast and crossing to England. We visited the Medway and Crouch rivers and went up to the Blackwater and the Colne before returning to Ramsgate. Here we had to wait for better weather during several days before continuing to mainland Europe and home. A small photo album can be found here: www.009dutch.nl/jeanneau/2011england/index.htmThames barge rounding the Spitway, entrance to the Blackwater. Manokwari in Bradwell. Myself having a good time with a strong following wind on the Belgian coast. Rough seas near Ostend, Belgium. The boat in the photo was slowly gaining on us.
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Post by Zanshin on Jul 12, 2011 6:05:40 GMT
Tedp - very nice pictures and clip indeed. It always amazes me how tame seas seem in pictures and film compared to the actual conditions encountered, so I can imagine what that was like. How busy was the channel when you crossed? I hear it is like a busy highway most of the time, except the big ships need several kilometers to turn or stop.
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maby
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Post by maby on Jul 12, 2011 7:46:09 GMT
I recognise some of those pictures - Chatham is our home marina - I think i bumped into you without realising it! We're soon going to buy a SO33i, so it's good to know that they can take such conditions!
Martin
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Post by tedp on Jul 12, 2011 9:55:00 GMT
To answer your questions and remarks: It is indeed difficult to judge the actual sea state from a video or a photo. We had some pretty tall rollers from behind, but the boat rose well enough before them. We did roll ourselves, whipping from 25 degrees on one 'ear' to 25 degrees on the other. The boat tends to yaw quite a bit as well, although I was surprised the autopilot managed to keep us on course. Unlike the other boat in the video we had only the three-quarters unrolled foresail for propulsion, without a pole. The mainsail was kept stowed. I did some sailing before the wind in a force 5-6 with the once-reefed main and no foresail and this worked all right provided I set a preventer line from the boom forward.
The SO32 has proved to be a good seaboat, although we had a few breakers on the foredeck when we were hit by a line squall with a force 8 and a short and steep 2 metre sea coming from straight ahead. I expect the 33i wouldn't be very different at sea. By the way I had a chance to see one at close quarters recently, it seems an excellent boat and very well finished too.
Finally, the shipping lanes in the North Sea and the Dover Strait. If you cross them at right angles there is no problem provided you keep in mind a cargo ship runs very fast. It's not always easy to check on the bearing of an approaching ship - will it cross my bows or will it cross my stern? The best method is checking it against its background and estimate its relative movement. Having been in cargo ships myself I'm not unduly worried.
Although we were involved in one potentially disastrous incident when crossing the approaches to Rotterdam. This crossing is performed at a 45 degree angle under shore radar control, but they slipped up and allowed us to continue right into the path of a cargo ship that came up on our portside quarter, out of a low sun. Somehow I had missed that ship coming up. I had taken a short look in the chart below deck, and when I came back up I had one look behind us, then went for the rudder.
From the ensuing VHF discussion with the traffic controller and the pilot on board the cargo ship I concluded that neither of them had noticed the situation. The shore controller apologised profusely, but the pilot cold-shouldered his mistake. So I asked him why he hadn't used a sound signal to draw our attention. End of discussion. Which proves the end responsibility is yours alone. Luckily we didn't make the headlines. ;D
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Post by tedp on Jul 12, 2011 10:50:35 GMT
I recognise some of those pictures - Chatham is our home marina - I think i bumped into you without realising it! We're soon going to buy a SO33i, so it's good to know that they can take such conditions! Martin Actually despite the weather we had a good time at Chatham, the people running it being very friendly. It's quite a neat setup as well. We ate at the Ship & Trades nearby which you may know. We also found Stangate Creek is a good place to anchor for the night. Anyway good luck with your plans to buy a 33i. It seems to be a good boat, but make sure you fit a mainsheet traveller right away, as the standard rig is no good. It's high on my to do list as our SO32 isn't easy to handle close-hauled if it really blows.
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Post by lateron on Jul 13, 2011 16:20:03 GMT
Hi Ted.......may have been somewhere near you in Chatham if you were there June 9/10 time We stayed on the long Victory pontoon though and not in the Marina. Interesting to hear your experiences with the SO 32 in those conditions. I raised 'seaworthiness of jeanneaus' in another thread before I went down to Chatham fro,m Harwich. We too ran into F8 winds for several hours crossing the Thames estuary between all the banks. It was right on the nose in the end, F8, pelting rain and not forecast. The sea was surprisingly rough very quickly with 2-3m waves some of which we took over the foredeck but I was happy with the way the boat handled the weather and it answered some of my questions re seaworthiness. Where do you reckon you might fit your traveller cockpit or coachroof? I'm hoping to go to Belgium soon do you know if the Belgian authorities are making any problems with red diesel still? All the best Ron
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Post by lateron on Jul 13, 2011 18:14:34 GMT
Quite amazing really Ted I took some similar photos and also the day after Chatham we went round to Bradwell and we tied up just round the corner from you in Bradwell Marina on pontoon A20 with a nice evening view down the creek.
I've been up to Wivenhoe before in my last boat which had shallower draught. I take it you had no probs with depth at high water. Finally my autopilot would not have steered in those conditions I take it you have customised the settings.
Ron again
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Post by tedp on Jul 13, 2011 18:35:28 GMT
Hello Ron, good to hear from you. We were in the Chatham marina on the weekend of June 11th, having arrived late afternoon on the 10th, and not on the pontoon in the river. When did you have the heavy weather in the Thames estuary? We had bad weather in the weekend following the 16th, when we were stuck in Bradwell, and later in Ramsgate on the 19th-24th, and on the Belgian coast. Much like you write, the boat was OK in such conditions, but there was no question of controlled sailing. I often used the foresail, as it is easy to roll away, and the engine had to be used quite often. The mainsail should have a traveller as it's quite big and difficult to trim in a blow. To answer your question, I plan to fit it on the cabin roof. I have seen many cruising boats with this arrangement and the sail can be flattened to lee as much as if you'd have a cockpit mounted traveller. I saw a 33i fitted with one on the cabin and it looked quite good. In addition I'm unhappy with the single line reefing. On my previous boat I had a snap hook on the gooseneck and a reef line to the leech cringle, which made for easy reefing and a well set sail. Finally, the red diesel. If you fill up your tank with red diesel and have them make out a receipt stating it is to be used for 100% propulsion, with the full duty on it paid, you can show this to the Belgian customs officer if they inspect you. There is a letter from the European Commission to the RYA explaining this. It is on the RYA website: www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/Pages/reddieselabroad.aspx. Also keep a careful log of sailing and arrival times in various ports, and where you filled up with diesel. Hope this helps you along. Best wishes and have a safe voyage Ted
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Post by lateron on Jul 14, 2011 17:45:14 GMT
Hi Ted . The bad weather was on June 9th and we left Chatham on the 10th with no wind to start with [F5 later] but lots of rain and lousy visibility reaching Bradwell just before some big thunderstorms. So in Bradwell overnight and left June 11th with sunshine and F3/4 NE so always had the wind on the nose as usual. I think I'll look into a cabin roof traveller and may go for a 3rd reef. When I buy red diesel they usually do the 60/40 split so is that not good enough for Belgian authorities and the RYA say you should only have fuel in the main tank so what about the spare tanks we all carry? Regards Ron
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Post by tedp on Jul 14, 2011 22:31:52 GMT
On the 9th we had sunny weather but 30-35 knots of wind after we tried to get out of Calais. We turned back that afternoon. You must have been in the same rain front followed by a thunderstorm we had when entering the Medway on the 10th. The day afterwards was sunny but we were in Chatham, then on Sunday the 12th it was very wet. It has been and still is some summer ,isn't it?
Regarding the diesel, the 40/60 split will definitely lead to trouble if they check you, so my advice is to fill up the tank with 100% propulsion and keep the invoice. I would advise against having red diesel in spare tanks. It's best to fill them with road diesel.
It's all caused by a political squabble. Yachtsmen are being used for leverage against the practice of selling red diesel along the water in Britain, which the EC partners don't like. It's the same in France, Belgium and my own country - they will be after you if you don't have the right paperwork. Better steer clear of it.
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Post by lateron on Jul 15, 2011 11:30:30 GMT
Thanks for that Ted......looks like I will have to check my receipts carefully. GB may as well have gone with the rest of Europe and stopped the use of red diesel because this gives you a few reservations regarding doing a crossing. Don't want to get fined. Also do you have a holding tank, I've been told that can be a problem in Holland[ and Belgium?] for visiting boats. Yes you're right about the summer. I'mglad we launched in March because we had great sailing weather til June but now #####!!
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Post by tedp on Jul 16, 2011 15:19:14 GMT
So in the USA they actually check on your hull valves. Well, at least they don't take half measures! But still the law is quite out of proportion to the actual problem. Bureaucrats
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Post by tedp on Jul 19, 2011 12:24:30 GMT
...I'll PM malcolm and see if I or he has a way of making a new thread of the old ones. Some forum programs allow that, some the owner turns off. I am not seeing the book marks to do this....... I think I remember the floor plan from an SO 32, will look it up. SOunds like your head is where my galley is, Head is to starboard just to starboard of the entry way, backed up to the outside access sail locker. So I have the waste tank at the front bottom, the diesel tank above, altho at 20 and about 7 gals for the diesel, not a lot of room is taken up... Thanks, Marty, we'll see how much can be done. By the way, the SO32 has quite a large galley to starboard, but at the cost of a small head/shower compartment. The cockpit locker is quite wide, but shallow so storage space is rather limited. Well, it's only a relatively small boat compared to what most forum members have... ...Sounds like a good idea to move this, makes your trip sound like s*** ;D... Yes, I did wonder what that smell came from! ;D The trip was fine but it might have been less windy. A bit more sun would have been appreciated! Anyway I have learned a lot about this boat.
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